Ched Evans

drew said:

Grow up. It's rape if she didn't consent, it's sex if she did. How a person dresses has nothing to do with whether it was rape or not. However, if, for argument sake, you had an alleged victim who had cried rape on numerous occasions only to have been proven wrong, who regularly slept with strangers with no commitment, who bragged about winning big etc etc, that may have a bearing on the credibility of that person's testimony. It would still of course be one word against another. In this case we don't know what her character is because it was never brought up in the trial!

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JCL - the new kid in town said:

Then why mention it? It seemed to me that you were trivialising rape by saying that it didn't matter as she was being sh*gged by a fit footballer

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JCL - the new kid in town said:

Why didn't the defence bring up her character then?

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Surrey_Albion said:

But there was evidence to convict him wasn't there? And by the sounds of it video evidence .....which is morr evidence than in the "hear say" and "my word against theirs" evidence of the other ENTERTAINERS (football is entertainment. ....maybe not yesterday's game) that have been convicted recently! Rape is rape law is law should someone in the entertainment industry be aloud theit old job back after being found guilty of rape? Shirley the only answer is NO! As stated before if he was an actor , a muscian or an mp would you give yhem their job back? He is a public figure regardless whether he plays football infront of 6000 fans or 30, 000 fans

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Creaky said:

Not sure it's a question of whether the jury believed Evans or not - after all had he not 'admitted' having sex with the girl there would have been no case to answer. What it all boils down to is a matter of judgement as to whether or not the girl was in a fit state to consent. The only hard evidence was the CCTV footage - the jury presumably felt that this was persuasive enough to convince them that she was so drunk she couldn't give consent.

I can't see how any appeal is ever likely to succeed because this will depend on new evidence that had the original jury been aware of might have caused them to come to a different decision. What new evidence can there be?

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Dan Aitch said:

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist who, contrary to popular and ill-informed opinion, has not 'done his time'. He has been released on licence halfway through his five year sentence. He remains a rapist, he remains convicted by a jury of his peers who know more about what happened than anyone on here and, despite the flaws of our judicial system, all the bigoted, misogynistic, half-witted and neanderthal arguments put forward on NSC will never convince me to change my opinion about the following things:
1. He should be on an 'avoid like the plague' list for all right-minded clubs.
2. I'm proud to be a member of the 'PC brigade' who will object, protest, and raise as much negative and vocal publicity as I can if we sign this convicted sex offender.
3. If you're so ignorant as to try to defend his conviction and claim he has been 'fitted up' or similar, then I can only sympathise with your ignorance.
4. I will return my season ticket and bombard the club with as many communications as I can if we sign this man who shows no remorse whatsoever, and whose victim is merely an afterthought to the ambitions of any club who see him as a solution to their goalscoring inedequacy.

I'd rather we were relegated than relied on Ched Evans to score the goals we need.[/QUOTE]

You could go to a Womens Lib meeting every other Saturday instead of going to the football.

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Dan Aitch said:

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist who, contrary to popular and ill-informed opinion, has not 'done his time'. He has been released on licence halfway through his five year sentence. He remains a rapist, he remains convicted by a jury of his peers who know more about what happened than anyone on here and, despite the flaws of our judicial system, all the bigoted, misogynistic, half-witted and neanderthal arguments put forward on NSC will never convince me to change my opinion about the following things:
1. He should be on an 'avoid like the plague' list for all right-minded clubs.
2. I'm proud to be a member of the 'PC brigade' who will object, protest, and raise as much negative and vocal publicity as I can if we sign this convicted sex offender.
3. If you're so ignorant as to try to defend his conviction and claim he has been 'fitted up' or similar, then I can only sympathise with your ignorance.
4. I will return my season ticket and bombard the club with as many communications as I can if we sign this man who shows no remorse whatsoever, and whose victim is merely an afterthought to the ambitions of any club who see him as a solution to their goalscoring inedequacy.

I'd rather we were relegated than relied on Ched Evans to score the goals we need.

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drew said:

What a narrow minded stance.

Yes, he is convicted rapist and as such I wouldn't want him anywhere near our team however if he successfully gets the conviction quashed then that changes. Would that change your mind as well?

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jcdenton08 said:

She wasn't "shagged", as you so classily put it, she was raped. In the eyes of the law he is a rapist. A sex offender.

We only have the justice system. You can't pick and choose which bits you like and which you don't.

Ched Evans is a convicted sex offender and, unless he successfully appeals, is a criminal out on license.

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Beach Seagull said:

Wasn't rape and I'm sure the Court of Appeal will make that finding shortly. If the Court of Appeal does quash the conviction will look forward to bouncing this thread.

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Dan Aitch said:

Absolutely.

I have to trust the justice system as far as I can. Currently he's a rapist. If it's proved he's innocent then he's not a rapist.

My narrow-mindedness is fine by me - it keeps me going to the football instead of a women's lib meeting.

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Beach Seagull said:

And she was a real 'liitle miss innocence' wasn't she. Going back to a guys room that she had just met for sex? Wonder if would've cried 'rape' if he wasn't a rich footballer? Doubt it. She saw it as a compensation opportunity. I wonder how many women this morning woke up next to a guy after a drunken sexual encounter with little or no recollection of what happened? Thousands i would imagine. Do they cry 'rape' or just get on with their lives? If they all cried rape there would be some very overcrowded police cells this and every Sunday morning.

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Herr Tubthumper said:

You're one very weird ****er if this is how you get your kicks. Irrespective of the case itself don't you think the subject matter itself makes this a little insensitive?

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Cheshire Cat said:

A completely irrelevent point.

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Beach Seagull said:

Am i a weird ****er because I have views that you don't agree with? Did I mention 'kicks' I'm sure I didn't. Said will 'look forward' to bouncing this thread should his conviction be quashed, I didn't say 'I will get a kick out of bouncing this thread.'

As for 'insensitive' not in the least. Plenty of posters have contributed to the thread, the tile of the thread 'Ched Evans' kind of offers a clue as to whats it content is likely to contain, if for some subscibers to NSC the subject matter is an emotive one for whatever reason, then simply don't open the thread.

Resorting to personal insults against posters who have views that differ to yours detracts rather than adds to the validity of your arguements in my opinion.

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Beach Seagull said:

Wasn't rape and I'm sure the Court of Appeal will make that finding shortly. If the Court of Appeal does quash the conviction will look forward to bouncing this thread.

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drew said:

As I understand it, the defence can't question the character of a witness unless it is brought up by the prosecution. I do stand to be corrected by someone in the legal profession.

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Beach Seagull said:

And she was a real 'liitle miss innocence' wasn't she. Going back to a guys room that she had just met for sex? Wonder if would've cried 'rape' if he wasn't a rich footballer? Doubt it. She saw it as a compensation opportunity. I wonder how many women this morning woke up next to a guy after a drunken sexual encounter with little or no recollection of what happened? Thousands i would imagine. Do they cry 'rape' or just get on with their lives? If they all cried rape there would be some very overcrowded police cells this and every Sunday morning.

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nwgull said:

They must have something for his legal team to think it's worthwhile making the application. She was alleged to have sent a load of Facebook messages to her friends on the night in question, which were then deleted; maybe they've now come to light.

Either way it's going to be a couple of years before we find out. His appeal now has much lower priority now he's no longer in prison.

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