[Football] Touching-up v Snowflakes

Napper · Jan 25, 2018

storm in a teacup all this.

It will pass

A1X · Jan 25, 2018

Brighton Mod said:
It has no bearing on me or 99.999% of people in this country

Nor does the royal wedding. Doesn't stop it being plastered all over the front pages every other day.

Brighton Mod said:
Where is the counter arguement, the balance

The counter argument being (presumably) that sexual harassment is OK?

Brighton Mod · Jan 25, 2018

A1X said:
Nor does the royal wedding. Doesn't stop it being plastered all over the front pages every other day.

The counter argument being (presumably) that sexual harassment is OK?

Who was sexually harrassed here? At this point I see only one source confirming this, the journalist, hardly a ringing endorsement of events given that she was paid to write the article.

Billy the Fish · Jan 25, 2018

dingodan said:
What would you say to a man who took a job as a "host" at an all women's event and was told to he needed to be muscly and attractive, and had to wear particular underwear, and he told you that one of those women held his hand? Or even grabbed his bum?

You would have enough respect for him to know that a) he's not likely to be so naive as to be surprised, and b) he can probably handle it.

How about extending the same respect to women.

Spot on.

People still view women as delicate little flowers who need protecting from the big nasty men. I find that to be patronising and offensive.

A1X · Jan 25, 2018

Brighton Mod said:
Who was sexually harrassed here? At this point I see only one source confirming this, the journalist, hardly a ringing endorsement of events given that she was paid to write the article.

Yes, the only person who has said it was the person who was there. Loads of people who weren't there have said there was no sexual harassment.

You're right, what was I thinking...

Triggaaar · Jan 25, 2018

dingodan said:
I got the impression she took the job for the night as a way of "undercover reporting", i.e. she was after the story.

I'd like to hear from those women who actually took that work honestly, knowing what they were doing, not the journalists who crashed it so they could get offended.

How about they went because there had been reports from previous years of unacceptable sexual harassment, and they wanted to report on the story?

I hope everyone is just as outraged for these guys and wants to see these women publicly shamed and lose their jobs too, and if not, why not?

No, because those men don't look unhappy at being groped, they look like they're consenting to having women put their hands on their butts.

Can't believe some of the crap I'm reading on this thread from people who seem to think sexual harassment is ok.

Chief Wiggum · Jan 25, 2018

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narly101 · Jan 25, 2018

kevo said:
Jesus wept, some of the replies on this thread.... incredibly sad that so many on here are living in the dark ages.

I know. its pretty depressing reading.

mr sheen · Jan 25, 2018

Yet most of the men attending the President's Club event seem to be claiming they didn't know it was that type of affair.......

The Clamp · Jan 25, 2018

dingodan said:
Yeah you don't sound in the least bit outraged.

I heard it referred to as, sexual abuse, sexual assault and sexual harassment on the BBC yesterday.

You are refusing to distinguish to the point of dishonesty. They were not "Out at the pub", were they. They were "hostessing", having made sure they were wearing the required underwear.

If that happened to my wife while she was "Out at the pub" yes I'd set the guy straight, as you put it. But if it happened to her while she was hostessing at the Presidents Club, while wearing the required underwear, most of my questions would be for her tbh.

I don't mean this in an insulting way but you're clueless.

Brighton Mod · Jan 25, 2018

A1X said:
Yes, the only person who has said it was the person who was there. Loads of people who weren't there have said there was no sexual harassment.

You're right, what was I thinking...

So as a percentage of those in attendance of 500 people, only one has made these accusations, 0.2%. Hmm, exactly, what were you thinking......

maffew · Jan 25, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
As I said before, I watched the original interview, which was edited for the more family orientated early evening news. It was groping, hands up skirts etc.

Exactly.

Good. Well done Fleet Street. Thankfully now it has finished it.

@GT49 The women knew what they were getting into, is just an excuse for lecherous behaviour.

Many snowflakes binding together make an avalanche & change the landscape.

Thunderbolt you talk sense most of the time, but let's not dress this up with feminist clap trap hey and opinions
This doesnt make it right but
It's a men only only event, rich men at that
You are possibly a model as stated and asked to wear skimpy clothing with matching underwear - would that not set alarm bells ringing when applying for what appears to be a very well paid shift? Sorry but sex sells (not talking prostitution which is one of the oldest trades that exists). Like that or not, It aint right but these girls would have known what to expect, and no, I wouldn't let my daughters even apply, because they wouldn't be so stupid. No point in trying to be on a high horse here and say this shouldn't happen in 2018. Its supply and demand, simples. To say the room was full of testosterone, what a stupid statement. There were 133 fit girls dressed in skimpy clothes and black underwear, in a room full of men pissed on champagne and probably a fair few coked up.

Its not ideal but men will be men and women arent all that innocent neither

sussex_guy2k2 · Jan 25, 2018

Publius Ovidius said:
wow....lets turn this into a class war issue.

This wasn't a working mans club and listening to Shelagh Fogarty's programme yesterday the ladies phoning up , some of whom had worked at events like this in the past and at this particular one ,were far from being "poor ". A lot of them who called in were from the escort agency industry and knew that it can get out of hand and in most cases knew that a swift knee to the privates worked..

I am not condoning this in any shape or form however time is moving on and maybe the days of gentlemen's clubs are a thing of the past. Certainly behaviour as to what is acceptable and what is not is changing and for the better, but just reflects what is going on in society.

I wonder what will come next...outlawing lap dancing clubs, "strip joints", that sort of thing. maybe society has moved on so that these establishments are archaic ...after all the propagation of free porn on the internet has taken away the titillation factor which when we were students, the Friday lunchtime "events" at the pub on lewes road, down from college, were heaving with men and young lads

Unfortunately sex (and the thought of it) sells. And there are a fair portion of women that know they will make a very good living selling it. That another portion of women aren't happy about that is a different moral debate, but I just don't see that our society will ever evolve past the types of clubs you mention simply because there's a demand for such things and enough women willing to meet that supply.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 25, 2018

The Clamp said:
His provocative avatar

Says the idiot with an avatar celebrating an elected politician almost dying in an air accident.

The Clamp · Jan 25, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Says the idiot with an avatar celebrating an elected politician almost dying in an air accident.

I know, my signature refers to the "almost" bit. As in we "nearly" got rid of the ****.

A1X · Jan 25, 2018

Brighton Mod said:
So as a percentage of those in attendance of 500 people, only one has made these accusations, 0.2%. Hmm, exactly, what were you thinking......

How many people who were there have come out and said there was categorically no sexual harassment going on?

Brighton Mod · Jan 25, 2018

Triggaaar said:
How about they went because there had been reports from previous years of unacceptable sexual harassment, and they wanted to report on the story?

No, because those men don't look unhappy at being groped, they look like they're consenting to having women put their hands on their butts.

Can't believe some of the crap I'm reading on this thread from people who seem to think sexual harassment is ok.

Sexual harrassment is not acceptable and its also subjective. HAS ANYONE OTHER THAN THE JOURNALIST MADE A COMPLAINT OF THIS NATURE AT THIS CHARITY EVENT?

Brighton Mod · Jan 25, 2018

A1X said:
How many people who were there have come out and said there was categorically no sexual harassment going on?

How many have categorically said that the food was cold and how many have categorically said that it was hot......

Your clutching at straws now, ffs,

sussex_guy2k2 · Jan 25, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Says the idiot with an avatar celebrating an elected politician almost dying in an air accident.

He's not ever actually been elected to Parliament in this country has he?

The Clamp · Jan 25, 2018

Brighton Mod said:
Sexual harrassment is not acceptable and its also subjective. HAS ANYONE OTHER THAN THE JOURNALIST MADE A COMPLAINT OF THIS NATURE AT THIS CHARITY EVENT?

She didn't make a complaint. She made a report. She doesn't need anyone to substantiate her claims because she's not looking to prosecute anyone. The Presidents Club could have disputed the report and sued. The Presidents Club didn't. The Presidents Club apologised and disbanded. Seems fairly clear to me.

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