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[Politics] It is time to end free speech

free speech yes or no

  • Keep free speech

    Votes: 102 92.7%
  • End free speech for some

    Votes: 8 7.3%

  • Total voters
    110






Goldstone1976

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Apr 30, 2013
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Yes they are , i was there yesterday i went along to ensure tommy robinson was able to speak.
[MENTION=33325]johanngull[/MENTION] This is how you should be showing your support for Tommy Robinson. There’s just no need for your misdirection; it’s really tacky.

Alf knows I profoundly disagree with a lot of what he says, and we’ve had the odd run in when I think he’s overstepped the line of acceptability, but you have to be really careful if you’re going to curtail free speech.

On that subject (free speech), Alf, personally, I don’t much like the avatar either. Hey ho, I’ll have to lump it.
 


1234andcounting

Well-known member
Mar 31, 2008
1,609
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic."

Oliver Wendell Holmes. Fairly self explanatory in relation to Mr Robinson (although I did love 2-4-6-8 Motorway back in the day).
 






dingodan

New member
Feb 16, 2011
10,080
Speech which is restricted goes underground where it cannot be subject to challenge.

You don't defeat bad ideas by silencing them, you defeat bad ideas with better ideas.
 




Goldstone1976

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Speech which is restricted goes underground where it cannot be subject to challenge.

You don't defeat bad ideas by silencing them, you defeat bad ideas with better ideas.

In general, yep, I agree. One caveat: a great orator can persuade joe public of the merits of his/her ideas, irrespective of the validity of the content. It’s important to always evaluate the content of what is being promoted, and not just get carried away by the emotional impact of great oratory.
 




hart's shirt

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
10,123
Kitbag in Dubai
5 posts and all about politics. Why join a football forum?

Well, quite.

Personally I'm much more concerned with the mindset of those starting threads on NSC - a broad church when it comes to most things including political ideology, but primarily not its raison d'être which is football talk - with a seemingly-deliberate agenda to inflame, antagonize and divide.

Don't ruin our NSC.
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Tommy Robinson is entitled to say what he thinks as is anyone else in this country
When it descends into violence at Speakers Corner then we may have the beginnings of civil unrest sadly
It seems the government is more worried about Russians get bumped off than the horrors that occurred in Telford etc
It’s going to get very messy out there very soon
The ONLY reason it descended into violence is when muslims attacked the people that were there to ensure that tommy robinson was able to speak, i was there , that is a fact.
 


dingodan

New member
Feb 16, 2011
10,080
In general, yep, I agree. One caveat: a great orator can persuade joe public of the merits of his/her ideas, irrespective of the validity of the content. It’s important to always evaluate the content of what is being promoted, and not just get carried away by the emotional impact of great oratory.

Barry-Yes.gif
 








alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
[MENTION=33325]johanngull[/MENTION] This is how you should be showing your support for Tommy Robinson. There’s just no need for your misdirection; it’s really tacky.

Alf knows I profoundly disagree with a lot of what he says, and we’ve had the odd run in when I think he’s overstepped the line of acceptability, but you have to be really careful if you’re going to curtail free speech.

On that subject (free speech), Alf, personally, I don’t much like the avatar either. Hey ho, I’ll have to lump it.
you disagree with MOST of what i say , not 'a lot' of what i say :lolol:
 




Goldstone1976

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Apr 30, 2013
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Well, quite.

Personally I'm much more concerned with the mindset of those starting threads on NSC - a broad church when it comes to most things including political ideology, but primarily not its raison d'être which is football talk - with a seemingly-deliberate agenda to inflame, antagonize and divide.

Don't ruin our NSC.

Yes - the seemingly deliberate “agenda to inflame, antagonise and divide” of a handful of posters does, imo, go against the raison d’être of NSC. Against that, one has to weigh free speech.

Posting history plays a part for me: some folk post on football and start seemingly deliberately provocative threads. They are different, imo, to those who only start such threads. The OP has, so far, fallen into the latter category, but he’s made only 5 posts. Maybe he’s interested in football too, but just hasn’t shown it yet? This thread has certainly promoted him to the “hmmm, let’s keep an eye out” category though.
 




alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Not really. Martin Sellner was.
Dont be silly Dave , Tommy Robinson was able to speak , whether that was a speech he prepared or one written by someone else , he was there top speak , and he did, simple.
 








studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,555
On the Border
The ONLY reason it descended into violence is when muslims attacked the people that were there to ensure that tommy robinson was able to speak, i was there , that is a fact.

Of course it's a fact, so the following must be fake

[video]https://5pillarsuk.com/2018/03/19/video-far-right-supporters-of-tommy-robinson-provoke-muslims-at-speakers-corner/[/video]
 



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