[Politics] American ALT-right blogger refused entry to UK

daveinprague · Mar 12, 2018

The only source of this story, is from a twitter account of one of the people 'allegedly' being refused entry with a very poorly therefore suspiciously written Home Office letter. Picked up of course by all the white nationalist sites, and shared by lovely people such as Stormfront. Where was the American deported to? Austria?
Im seriously doubting the validity of this now.

BeHereNow · Mar 12, 2018

Expect the usual establishment mummy's boys to say how it's right that we refuse entry to people who might have different political views to us. I also love how they try to claim that these people are irrelevant, stinks of fear.

alfredmizen · Mar 12, 2018

Triggaaar said:
They are visitors, not British citizens. I'm glad they're denied entry.

youre part.of.the problem then.

Withdean11 · Mar 12, 2018

Triggaaar said:
They are visitors, not British citizens. I'm glad they're denied entry.

Why?

Do you think we should deny entry to anyone who has criticised Scientology too?

alfredmizen · Mar 12, 2018

Withdean11 said:
Why?

Do you think we should deny entry to anyone who has criticised Scientology too?

course he doesnt , he was virtue signalling

studio150 · Mar 12, 2018

Brian Fantana said:
Is it just me who thinks some of the grammar and typos in that letter make it look like a fake?

If it isn't I would be more worried about the poor quality staff being employed to deal with this. I would have thought a basic understanding of English would have been a minimum requirement

daveinprague · Mar 12, 2018

Withdean11 said:
Why?

Do you think we should deny entry to anyone who has criticised Scientology too?

No, but I dont mind people who, in a speech called for the forcible repatriation of all immigrants back to countries of origin...im assuning that includes, Americans, Australians, EU citizens etc., and killing those that refuse to go, being kept out of the country. Where was she deported to?
Why was an Austrian, who has free movement in the EU needing to apply to visit or was he denied entry at the airport for another reason?

brightn'ove · Mar 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Indeed. And organisation with a Z ...... the American way ! A complete fake.

Hahahaha busted.

BHAFC_Pandapops · Mar 12, 2018

Just for the record. Article 9 of the Human Rights Act (1998).

Article 9 protects your right to manifest your beliefs - for example, your right to wear religious clothing, the right to talk about your beliefs or take part in religious worship. The right to manifest your beliefs is qualified. This means it can be interfered with in certain situations - for example, to protect the rights of others.

In this case, you have the right to what you believe and you can freely practice it. If you believe that what you believe is absolute and supersedes what anyone else believes - and you're willing to incite hatred to that effect - then the state reserves the right to take action against you.

Even if these people being refused entry was true - it'd be totally justified. If you're gonna go to another country specifically to violate a ton of legislation, then I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have you either.

Triggaaar · Mar 12, 2018

Withdean11 said:
Why?

Do you think we should deny entry to anyone who has criticised Scientology too?

We're not denying entry to people who have just criticised Islam, it said in the letter you posted that they admitted to distributing racist material. Bit weird for a visitor to be doing that.

alfredmizen said:
youre part.of.the problem then.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.

alfredmizen said:
course he doesnt , he was virtue signalling

Grow up.

Franks Wild Years · Mar 12, 2018

BHAFC_Pandapops said:
Just for the record. Article 9 of the Human Rights Act (1998).

Article 9 protects your right to manifest your beliefs - for example, your right to wear religious clothing, the right to talk about your beliefs or take part in religious worship. The right to manifest your beliefs is qualified. This means it can be interfered with in certain situations - for example, to protect the rights of others.

In this case, you have the right to what you believe and you can freely practice it. If you believe that what you believe is absolute and supersedes what anyone else believes - and you're willing to incite hatred to that effect - then the state reserves the right to take action against you.

Even if these people being refused entry was true - it'd be totally justified. If you're gonna go to another country specifically to violate a ton of legislation, then I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have you either.

Is the right answer. End of thread.

pastafarian · Mar 12, 2018

daveinprague said:
All this depends if you consider the seemingly large number of ex EDL leadership and members in jail for kiddy porn and fiddling is ok. I guess as they are not muslims it will be, as I dont hear you expressing any outrage about them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...an-jailed-paedophile-old-bailey-a8231231.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...l-paul-whiteside-child-grooming-a7958011.html

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader

Robert Ewing, ex-BNP and EDL member charged over missing Blackpool schoolgirl Paige Chivvers and implied sexual activity: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/n...sed-i-am-convinced-paige-is-alive-1- 7300103

Kane Hutchinson, Newcastle EDL, convicted of serial child abuse.

John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom supporter, ‘making indecent images of children.’ http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/9094012.

http://edlnews.co.uk/2014/12/12/north-wales-alliance-leader-facing-long-jail-term-for-sex-offences/

Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn, pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11278914.Man_charged_with_rape_of_Blackburn_schoolgirl/ http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader Archie Sliman, EDL : kidnapping and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co....ter_jailed_after_girl_relives_horror/?ref=arc Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Net-...teenage-girl/story-11980313-detail/story.html Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs. http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/the-fringe-of-the-fringe Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/11...ect-worker-sent-sexual-texts-to-teenager.aspx http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co....its-8216-fit/story-20379868-detail/story.html Stephen Payne SDL supporter: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/facebook-pervert-stephen-payne-wa

Out of interest was there a reason you copied and pasted this from an Antifa website before checking it first.
Plenty of it is non existent links that have been invented to look like real news stories. A ploy often used for the more gullible in the hope people wont actually read the links but believe what you tell them is in it.
Perhaps it would be wiser for you and those that gave you a thumbs up to read in its entirety what has been suggested to you before deciding.

daveinprague · Mar 12, 2018

pastafarian said:
Out of interest was there a reason you copied and pasted this from an Antifa website before checking it first.
Plenty of it is non existent links that have been invented to look like real news stories. A ploy often used for the more gullible in the hope people wont actually read the links but believe what you tell them is in it.
Perhaps it would be wiser for you and those that gave you a thumbs up to read in its entirety what has been suggested to you before deciding.

Feel free to verify them.
The thread concerns an unverified letter, from the twitter account of a white nationalist, that appears to be very fake, but you dont question that?

mikeyjh · Mar 12, 2018

The Clamp said:
I'm more than happy to have a sensible discussion about Robinson but you really do your cause no good when you "shout" people down.

I can't be the only one that enjoys the large irony the comedy racist Stephen Yaxley/Stephen LennonAndrew McMasterPaul Harris
/Tommy Robinson or whatever he calls himself now runs a tanning salon.

Baldseagull · Mar 12, 2018

alfredmizen said:
it wasnt the same at all , muslim grooming gangs target vulnerable WHITE, BRITISH girls.

Predominantly it seems, but not exclusively, there is some evidence of asian girls also being abused but greater reluctance to come forward, see the recent news from Telford.

pastafarian · Mar 12, 2018

daveinprague said:
Feel free to verify them.
The thread concerns an unverified letter, from the twitter account of a white nationalist, that appears to be very fake, but you dont question that?

You are confusing me with someone that gives a toss, i am not remotely interested. I was just reading the thread and the fake links you posted and was simply interested in why you would do that.Did you simply consider your initial source as beyond reproach and therefore no need to check what was invented and what wasnt? Thats a very dangerous gullible game to play.

alfredmizen · Mar 12, 2018

mikeyjh said:
I can't be the only one that enjoys the large irony the comedy racist Stephen Yaxley/Stephen LennonAndrew McMasterPaul Harris
/Tommy Robinson or whatever he calls himself now runs a tanning salon.

and here he is , the grown man who calls himself mikey.

daveinprague · Mar 12, 2018

pastafarian said:
You are confusing me with someone that gives a toss, i am not remotely interested. I was just reading the thread and the fake links you posted and was simply interested in why you would do that.Did you simply consider your initial source as beyond reproach and therefore no need to check what was invented and what wasnt? Thats a very dangerous gullible game to play.

So, prove to me they are faked. Dont just talk about it.
Which ones are fake?

pastafarian · Mar 12, 2018

daveinprague said:
So, prove to me they are faked. Dont just talk about it.
Which ones are fake?

Why dont you simply go down the list of all the links you provided and do what you didnt do originally, click on them. You will then see many are just invented or fake whatever word you want to use.
Still doesnt answer why you would blindly copy and paste them without checking them first to actually verify if they even were working and real.

Rodney Thomas · Mar 12, 2018

pastafarian said:
Out of interest was there a reason you copied and pasted this from an Antifa website before checking it first.
Plenty of it is non existent links that have been invented to look like real news stories. A ploy often used for the more gullible in the hope people wont actually read the links but believe what you tell them is in it.
Perhaps it would be wiser for you and those that gave you a thumbs up to read in its entirety what has been suggested to you before deciding.

daveinprague said:
Feel free to verify them.
The thread concerns an unverified letter, from the twitter account of a white nationalist, that appears to be very fake, but you dont question that?

pastafarian said:
You are confusing me with someone that gives a toss, i am not remotely interested. I was just reading the thread and the fake links you posted and was simply interested in why you would do that.Did you simply consider your initial source as beyond reproach and therefore no need to check what was invented and what wasnt? Thats a very dangerous gullible game to play.

daveinprague said:
So, prove to me they are faked. Dont just talk about it.
Which ones are fake?

pastafarian said:
Why dont you simply go down the list of all the links you provided and do what you didnt do originally, click on them. You will then see many are just invented or fake whatever word you want to use.
Still doesnt answer why you would blindly copy and paste them without checking them first to actually verify if they even were working and real.

This is basically every political argument in Britain over the last 3/4 years.

"You're lying" "No, you're lying" "You lied first" "I don't care because you also lied"

What. A. Shitshow

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