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[Politics] Brexit
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Neville's Breakfast
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Ignoring the rudeness of the other poster for a moment, you or anyone else can go anywhere you like if you have the means and are not a burden to the community you are joining. You just don't have the right because the host community is more important than you are.
That is why this country contributed £13.2Billion to aid last year. Not every wealthy country subscribes to that level of aid giving and the recipients of said aid are too dumb to spend it how it should be spent. Your ideology is I guess laudable but we are not yet in the 'star trek' millennium. The world and its people are not perfect and wishing it was perfect or lecturing others because it is not just doesn't hack it right now.
Thant would only work if there was a single 'World' government and a single taxation system ...... NEVER EVER going to happen.
Planning is always good but you and I can only use the ballot box to try to achieve that. Or become a politician. However 1,000s of years of politics have achieved nowhere near that ideology.
Enforced equality will lead to the demise of the human race. Take away aspiration and you crush ambition and create laziness which leads to ultimate failure. Darwin's theory of evolution anyone, or do the left believe that to be a product of the nasty party too?
Neville's Breakfast
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I think you are still thinking in terms of the individual. Of course it is impossible to determine who will be a burden and who not. I'm not advocating we should do that as I believe we should look after the vulnerable in our community and I don't in any way see them as a burden. I just don't think your rights as an individual from elsewhere supercede the community's rights to protect its citizens. It seems to me that a whole generation has grown up concerned with its rights but not its obligations.
None of them puts food in the belly of the child in Ethiopia and Bangladesh for example.
I certainly agree with you on that. Shall we call on Elon Musk first?
There's an excellent article on this in The Economist a couple of weeks ago, which condenses into a few broad issues.
1: Loss of trust in institutions and their decision making, such as WMD and subsequent invasion of Iraq, creation of the Euro, trusting in the world financial system.
2: A broadening of sources of information. The rise of social media means that anyone and everyone can now be a publisher. It also means that it's easier to find like minded people which in turn reinforces ideas.
3: The policy of attacking facts, and instead relying on gut feel. Trump's standard approach is to say "A lot of people are saying" before coming out with his usual shite. He knows that if he says 10 outrageous statements some of them will find a sympathetic ear and he then focuses on the ones that work.
4: The human brain has to work harder to process factually based information, and there's a lot of research to support this. People instinctively accept information to which they are exposed and must actively work harder to resist believing falsehoods. They believe that familiar information is true, and cherry pick data to support their initial beliefs. Being proven wrong has a detrimental impact on their self belief so they resist it at all costs.
You just have to look at NSC after a couple of crap results, the usual whingers and whiners swarm on the board because these results 'prove' (in their heads only) that they were always right about Barber/Hughton/Bloom/Murray etc.
Looking at a big picture, taking a strategic, long term view from analysis of information and respected models can't be done in 140 characters of a tweet, so debate is dumbed down and replaced by one liners and slogans.
Sent from Konnie Huq's lingerie drawer.
So why are you banging on about the EU, they do not represent your aspiration at all, they are just a bigger version of the UK, which is a bigger version of England and so on ..............
You still have not answered my earlier post, which basically asked when did the human race not compete amongst itself?
Lack of competition leads to stagnation, your laudable morals will not change that.
Konnie's lingerie drawer must be a bit bigger by now surely? Maybe doubled or trebled in size based on my assumption of mummy knickers, cannot be single anymore now can she?
Sadly she married Charlie Brooker, despite the advice and suggestions sent to her by myself and [MENTION=21316]ALF[/MENTION]red Mizen
JC Footy Genius
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Good god I thought she would be much too young for him but apparently she is ... 41
Good god I thought she would be much too young for him but apparently she is ... 41
Think you and I both missed out there JC.
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!
Primary data is fact
I believe you're mistaken here. The exit conditions/treaty under Article 50 require approval of the European Parliament and (by qualified majority) the European Council. There is no requirement for either unanimity in the Council or for individual member states to ratify.
Neville's Breakfast
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Thank you for the summary, I will look up the article. Politicians are certainly picking up on these developments which makes one wonder how the 2020 General Election will be conducted. It seems people are increasingly attracted to exaggeration, extreme positions and contempt for opposing views. I wonder where that could lead...