Not as long ago as the Brexit vote and that still continues.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Not as long ago as the Brexit vote and that still continues.
mikeyjh
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I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here - I'll say one thing though, I absolutely was a swing voter on brexit for many different reasons but came to a strong conclusion we were better off in. So, if you're saying I couldn't perceive of brexit being acceptable, you're incorrect.
The same thing was said prior to the decision whether to join the Euro or not, we didnt and the sector boomed ...............
alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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What part of the financial sector is likely to suffer losses in your opinion ?
alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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Fancy answering question #110 on the thread "so the fact he was carrying a gun" ?
As a swing voter, surely you normally hold views on both sides of the argument, when you finally decide on a definitive 'in or out' it seems strange to me that you jettison all your thoughts of the advantages of say Brexit and wholly embrace all of the perceived advantages (which by default is now the opposite of some of your earlier position regarding Brexit) of Remain.
I have always seen you as a committed and determined europhile, with little time for Brexit or their supporters views which doesnt obviously identify you as some swing voter with an earlier inclination towards Brexit.
Perhaps I have misinterpreted some of your previous posts .....................
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mikeyjh
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The thing is, I don't think there's 'both' sides, I think there's many sides - I'm more than happy to have a conversation about the very real and deserved issues that people have with the EU, honestly! One of the things I really can't abide is the conclusion that people reach about what the vote meant, and that everyone understood what they were voting for. Off the many things this thread tells us, it tells us that conclusion is obviously untrue. What I've always wanted is a mature (I'm definitely immature on occasion!) and sensible discussion about where we go from here. I am VERY critical of the leave campaign because clearly there was no plan and very critical of May for her incompetence.
i expect that my reasons for considering a leave vote were very different to yours but that's kind of the point isn't it, it meant very different things to different people.
I hate referendums btw.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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swingers swayers,the exit doors been unlocked and we're waiting to be let out 
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DR
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DR
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
If the Brexiteers on here were to describe the losers of the Referendum in the terms they would really like to use about them,it would result in a ban.You lot are such a bunch of
ers,you would complain to the site mods,a lot of whom are on your side of the debate for some strange reason,and there would be nobody left to counteract your gross stupidity!The patriotic Leavers on here are typically tolerant Brits,and put up with the vitriolic rubbish spewed out daily by the narrow-minded,and sometimes mentally-challenged,europhiles on site,but it does get a bit OTT sometimes.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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when i first started saying my bit about immigration/ the EU on here I got all the usual shit thrown at me which i couldn't give a monkeys about as i knew they were others with a similar view who seemed to lack a bit of conviction to air theirs ,then when things headed towards the referendum more people started to air their concerns and views which shocked the REMOANERS EVEN MORE AS THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD A MONOPOLY OF VIEWS ON HERE , so, all in all a good job all round, here's to a PROFITABLE exit from the EUIf the Brexiteers on here were to describe the losers of the Referendum in the terms they would really like to use about them,it would result in a ban.You lot are such a bunch of
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DR
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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On every level, that's a cop out answer. I posed a question and provided a couple of possible answers. You won't comment on them, or offer any half-sensible alternatives; all you can do is screech inanities. Just for the record though, are you really saying it is just ME, or just pro-remain supporters, who observe that what happened on June 23 was part of a wider populist reaction by people tired of the way their worlds are being run? Because that is what you have just said.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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If the Brexiteers on here were to describe the losers of the Referendum in the terms they would really like to use about them,it would result in a ban.You lot are such a bunch of
As an Albion supporter you can't possibly be the swivel-eyed drip you pretend to be.
I found this an interesting read yesterday. http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad...ling/2017/01/brexit-as-identity-politics.html
Essentially describes Remainers as 'Consequentialists' - perceiving of Brexit in terms of its perceived effects on trade, productivity, growth etc
It then describes Leavers as seeing Brexit as an 'Intrinsic Good' - 'something desirable in itself in which consequences are of secondary importance'
I don't think its a completely watertight theory, but do think it helps explain why the debate is so intractable and, to a certain extent, why it's very hard to even have a cogent, logical debate on the issue.
portslade seagull
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JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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The problem with your scenario is it doesn't compare accurately to the situation we find ourselves in. I doubt many people have an issue with others continuing to hold opposing views it's more their refusal to even give Brexit a chance before righting it off. Plus constantly emphasising/ highlighting only negative news. Plus continually misrepresenting other people's arguments the usual strawman tactics. Worst of all arguing to reverse Brexit even before it has happened or diluting it to a point where we are still more in than out which is inherently undemocratic and extraordinarily dangerous.
Now you might say Farage and chums would have behaved similarly (nice bedfellows for you I'm sure!) but the significant difference is we would still be in the EU and they wouldn't be trying to thwart the democratic will of the majority before it has a chance to be enacted.
I'm guessing some NSC Brexiteers descend to playground abuse out of sheer exasperation although I believe a number of supposed Remain stalwarts only frequent this thread to provoke that type of reaction.
Btw if Remain had won I am certain this thread would have died a death within a month of the result and any occasional Brexiteer bitching would be binned off to the other stuff.
portslade seagull
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Agree with that. Brexit defeat would've seen this thread moved. It would have been non existant now. The Leavers would have accepted the vote / will of the people
"Cop out answer"....really?
Let's have a look at what i was replying to.
1) " Would the Brexiters on here have described Farage and his chums that way if the referendum result had been reversed "
As i said "you don't know the answer"
2) "I don't know the answer. It might simply be that some NSC Brexiters are too ready to descend to playground abuse"
As i stated "you don't know the answer", and i should take a look at what side are really ready to "descend to playground abuse"
3) "One contributor said that the referendum showed that millions of people were fed up with being ignored and lied to and, by implication, that's why they voted as they did"
ONE contributor, ONE, i think 17m voted out, as i stated "no matter how many times the pro Brexit posters explain the reasons...you are still trying to put out other reasons that YOU think people voted out."
4) "A generally furious Brexit supporter in the studio didn't disagree at all with this."
SUPPORTER, not even a few.
5) "Most open-minded people wouldn't, but if that debate had been on North Stand Chat, I suspect "
Again just your opinion, or as i stated ""you don't know the answer"
So where was the cop out.
Hmmm, and your quote was......... " It might simply be that some NSC Brexiters are too ready to descend to playground abuse".
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Like you I know I would have accepted it, after a bit of venting! To be fair I think most Remainers also accept the vote it's only the more extreme elements who think it's ok to try and thwart it.