[Politics] Brexit

pastafarian · Jan 3, 2019

GrizzlingGammon said:
While we are on usernames, Pastafarian. What about yours? You're laughing at the Rastafarian religion. So is it the Jamaicans or Ethiopians you hate?

Strange boy, apart from you the only other person previously that has ever wet the bed with the same ridiculous thought process about my username was Dave.
Dave drops out of thread 13th dec and vows never to comment on here again.
GrizzlingGammon joins NSC 15th dec
How curious, ......but wouldn’t put it past clamp though to start another profile with that name.

GrizzlingGammon · Jan 3, 2019

pastafarian said:
Strange boy, apart from you the only other person previously that has ever wet the bed with the same ridiculous thought process about my username was Dave.
Dave drops out of thread 13th dec and vows never to comment on here again.
GrizzlingGammon joins NSC 15th dec
How curious, ......but wouldn’t put it past clamp though to start another profile with that name.

As you do not deny hating either one can only deduce that you hate both.

You wet the bed over my name, otherwise you would not have commented. So I questioned your choice of name.

It's funny, you can't argue the reason to defend your username so here come the attempted distraction techniques.

Btw, I am not Dave or Clamp.

ManOfSussex · Jan 3, 2019

Baldseagull said:
This award of contract is ridiculous, the company owns no vessels, does not have a licence to operate out of the ports it has been contracted to, and does not have the funding in place to secure the charter of suitable vessels. All it has going for it is a suitable name.

According to Companies House records Seaborne has declared fixed assets of £35,169, shares totalling £53, debtors amount due within one year of £6,364 and creditors amount due within one year of £416,607

https://theisleofthanetnews.com/201...says-it-will-foot-the-bill-for-port-dredging/

Very strange too that the DfT issue a statement for Seabourne's T&C website error on their behalf, when neither their actual company website or Twitter has one in regards to it - https://seabornefreight.com/ & https://twitter.com/SeaborneFreight

It's either ridiculous or they've found some very useful idiots to pretend to go along with some no deal 'contingencies'.

pastafarian · Jan 3, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Are you 100% sure the government can't use Henry VIII powers to rescind or delay Article 50?

No they cant.
Henry VIII clauses(not powers) are clauses in a bill that allow the executive to amend and repeal parts of a specific Act of Parliament with secondary legislation. These permissions, if given, will have been voted and granted by parliament when said bill becomes an Act and law(they are still subject to scrutiny).
You may be confusing Henry VIII clauses with Prerogative Powers in general that now rest with the Crown(The Government). Some of these prerogative powers can be subject to judicial review as in the Gina Miller case which was a case concerning the Crown's Foreign Affairs Prerogative not Henry VIII “powers”.

Pavilionaire · Jan 4, 2019

I see the government's lorry park Operation Brock will be run on Monday, shutting 13 miles of the M20 southbound carriageway and using 150 lorries to simulate No Deal Border congestion.

This on top of 1,000 extra police placed on standby for rioting in Ireland, £14mill to a start up "ferry" company with no boats and cessation of the Dublin Convention whereby asylum seekers who can presently be returned to the EU country that first documented them will now have to be kept here.

No a bad week's work by the government. Only 12 more to go.

golddene · Jan 4, 2019

Pavilionaire said:
I see the government's lorry park Operation Brock will be run on Monday, shutting 13 miles of the M20 southbound carriageway and using 150 lorries to simulate No Deal Border congestion.

This on top of 1,000 extra police placed on standby for rioting in Ireland, £14mill to a start up "ferry" company with no boats and cessation of the Dublin Convention whereby asylum seekers who can presently be returned to the EU country that first documented them will now have to be kept here.

No a bad week's work by the government. Only 12 more to go.

That's more like it ! Taking back control, leave means leave, on our way, remoaners all Toby jugs etc etc.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
Sums up Brexiteers in a nutshell.

Feel free to point me in the direction of any Brexiteer that has posted anything positive about this part of the Governments planning. I'm guessing you never did report that 'racist' post you moaned so much about ?

Westdene Seagull · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
You all votes for it. This IS your beloved Brexit.

Ah, so you can't point me towards a post supporting this ferry mess and you lied about reporting the post for being 'racist'. No changes from your stupidity and lies in the new year then Plooks.

Oh, I didn't see on the voting slip - "I want Grayling to sign a stupid shipping contract" so clearly nobody voted for it ( and that's using YOUR logic ).

ManOfSussex · Jan 4, 2019

Gwylan said:
"SeaborneFreight chief exec previously ran shipping company which ceased trading, owing many hundreds of thousands of £s. The company denies the allegations."

I don't understand this. What does it deny? That the CEO ran another company? That it went bust? That it owed hundreds and thousands of pounds? Surely, all of that would be a matter of public record?

The Times reports this today on the Chief Executive Ben Sharp:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-left-tax-debt-when-old-firm-failed-kwwl0hvnq

Mr Sharp, a former Royal Navy submariner, was managing director of Mercator, a chartering company, that was forced into liquidation by HM Revenue & Customs in 2014 over a significant tax bill. He is now managing director of Albany Shipping, which is technically insolvent and does not appear to be operating.

Mr Sharp declined to say how much HMRC was owed but Mercator International’s accounts for 2013 show that it owed all of its creditors a total £1.78 million. None of the money owed to the taxman was repaid, Mr Sharp said.

Mr Sharp’s biography at Albany Shipping makes no mention of the forced closure of his previous company, instead claiming that “in 2014, Ben took the decision to develop Mercator into a Ship Owner Operator and Albany Shipping Limited was formed to achieve this”.

Channel 4 News reported last night that Seaborne was yet to sign any contracts with Ostend or Ramsgate ports to use their facilities, despite talks being at an advanced stage.

The Brexit contract awarded to Seaborne Freight forms part of a wider £103 million package to create additional freight capacity to keep essential goods flowing and ensure that the main Channel crossing at Dover is not overloaded.

A £46.6 million contract was awarded to the French company Brittany Ferries and £42.5 million to DFDS, the Danish operator. The contracts were awarded under rules that allow the government to circumvent the usual tendering process in an emergency.

The Department for Transport insisted that contract opportunities were put to all Channel operators, with by far the two biggest deals going to established companies.

It said that due diligence had been carried out on Seaborne by senior officials at the DfT as well as independent experts. The Times understands that Deloitte vetted its finances, the engineering consultancy Mott MacDonald checked its operational set-up and Slaughter and May audited its legal framework.

A source insisted that the contract payment would be made in arrears, with nothing going to the company until at least a month after freight operations started. This differs from the DFDS and Brittany Ferries contracts where the companies retain some payment even if their services are not used.

In some respite for the government yesterday, work started on a project to dredge the Port of Ramsgate and open the shipping route. A Dutch company is carrying out the work.

Last night Mr Sharp said: “The directors of Seaborne Freight are experienced business people with a long track record in industry. They have, between them, opened and in some cases closed a number of businesses. This is of course not unusual.” He said there were no plans to wind Albany up.

golddene · Jan 4, 2019

ManOfSussex said:
The Times reports this today on the Chief Executive Ben Sharp:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-left-tax-debt-when-old-firm-failed-kwwl0hvnq

As a matter of interest, were these companies the seaborne directors used to run, " burgers to go" pizza's R us, Kentucky Chlorinated chicken ?

Westdene Seagull · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
No. I can point to any of the "on our way" "no deal better than deal" posts. ANYONE who voted brexit voted for this. Let me be VERY clear about that.
Or are you back tracking now?

Hang on, YOU posted, and REPEATEDLY with nauseating repetativemess, that people ONLY voted for what was on the ballot paper. You've used it to argue constantly that the vote didn't mean leaving the single market, the customs union or getting rid of Freedon of Movement. Yet NOW you say everyone who voted leave voted for something that WASN'T on the ballot paper. Really Plooks, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone on here look quite so stupid, tie themselves and knots, lie and change their arguments as much as you. Even remainers think you're stupid.

ManOfSussex · Jan 4, 2019

golddene said:
As a matter of interest, were these companies the seaborne directors used to run, " burgers to go" pizza's R us, Kentucky Chlorinated chicken ?

It's all very strange - I appreciate the MP for South Thanet is a bit busy currently waiting for a jury to conclude its deliberations on him, but a £14m investment in a coastal town like Ramsgate - ordinarily you'd have thought everyone at Thanet District Council and in Ramsgate would be singing from the rooftops. :shrug:

I smell a rat here I'm afraid like they do and I spot a giant one in Chris Grayling.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
Exactlt, you prove my point. "Leave" is so vague that as long as we leave the eu it is part of leave. So you DID vote for shit ferry deals as this was one of an infinite number of possibilities.

So you accept I voted for leaving the single market, leaving the customs union and for end to freedom of movement finally then ?

Tubby-McFat-Fuc · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
And not that. You voted for every version and can not complain over anything that occurs.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
And not that. You voted for every version and can not complain over anything that occurs.

Your post makes no sense what so ever. You've CONSTANTLY said as FoM wasn't on the ballot paper then nobody voted to get rid of it.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 4, 2019

Plooks said:
Yes. What is the problem? Can you not get your head around it?
Leave means an infinite number of different versions of brexit. Therefore, you voted for all of them. You then can not complain if FoM is not removed as you voted for it to stay.

..... you're very very weird !!! You've told me previously I DIDN'T vote to end FoM now you tell me I DID. #villageidiot

WATFORD zero · Jan 4, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
..... you're very very weird !!! You've told me previously I DIDN'T vote to end FoM now you tell me I DID. #villageidiot

You and Plooks can (and I'm sure) will carry this on for weeks yet, but

The simple fact is that this is exactly what you voted for.

It's not the fault of Remainers, The Government, The EU, Gina Miller, or Uncle Tom Cobley.

Nige and Boris said vote for this and you did.

You voted to leave with no definition of what 'leave' was and this is all part of the process to define what it was you voted for :shrug:

WATFORD zero · Jan 4, 2019

Tubby-McFat-Fuc said:
View attachment 103520

And yet another well thought out, well researched and informative contribution

A tantrum of tantrums :lolol:

Pretty pink fairy · Jan 4, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
You keep claiming a 'no deal' isn't possible yet never provide any evidence or logic to back up your claim.

So clearly there's no majority for May's deal. Dead in the water. Labour policy - as stated by Corbyn - is that they won't reverse the result of the referendum or hold a second referendum. So what happens ? As a country we're no further forward on what will happen than a month ago. I pointed out then that there was no time left for a second referendum and now we're a month further down the line with no progress to an outcome and even more so there's no time left for a seond referendum. It will be tight to pass any legislation after May's deal is rejected. Unless something is actively done and AGREED by majority in parliament then we leave on the 29th March.

So come on then, time for your Mystic Meg to actually make a proper prediction of what will happpen, and just saying 'no deal' isn't possible isn't a prediction.

just say yes Paul
regards
DR

Pretty pink fairy · Jan 4, 2019

WATFORD zero said:
You and Plooks can (and I'm sure) will carry this on for weeks yet, but

The simple fact is that this is exactly what you voted for.

It's not the fault of Remainers, The Government, The EU, Gina Miller, or Uncle Tom Cobley.

Nige and Boris said vote for this and you did.

You voted to leave with no definition of what 'leave' was and this is all part of the process to define what it was you voted for

NO ONE VOTED FOR A DEAL...………. suck on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7qZhlrbcB8
regards
DR

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