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[Football] Touching-up v Snowflakes
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Grombleton
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- Dec 31, 2011
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But,as has been pointed out in this thread already, surely the fact that the club has been disbanded, people hauled before their superiors, gagging orders and all is enough to prove that untoward things were happening?
If the claims were unsubstantiated then its far more likely a statement would be issued denying it and maybe a threat of a lawsuit against the journalist...but it hasn't happened.
portslade seagull
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Blimey there would have wholesale claims against most on here when the slowies were played at the end of an evening
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Indeed, the erection section often witnessed hands and tongues flying all over the show.
SeagullRic
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A 'more socially acceptable way for rich people to part with their money'? How about actually paying your taxes rather than doing anything and everything possible (legally and, often, illegally) to avoid doing so?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Maybe the tax office should hire some hostesses.
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lets face it , bars and clubs are full of this sort.
Women flashing boobs , touching up blokes
Men cocks out , touching up birds.
It goes on and most of what is being reported isn't actually that much outside ordinary stuff.
Of course hands up skirts etc is a step too far and I'm sure was dealt with.
Nothing will change and it will die down anyway
Women flashing boobs , touching up blokes
Men cocks out , touching up birds.
It goes on and most of what is being reported isn't actually that much outside ordinary stuff.
Of course hands up skirts etc is a step too far and I'm sure was dealt with.
Nothing will change and it will die down anyway
SeagullRic
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Agree that this is depressingly commonplace, but what makes you 'sure it was dealt with'? Without the report from the FT none of this would have come out, the event would have continued next year as it has for decades.
Secondly, the fact this has been exposed and The Presidents Club disbanded is evidence is surely a sign this will become less accepted and a change of culture/behaviour possible?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Not sure it was the blokes that were getting touched up.
I think that the difference between what goes on bars and what happened at this club is a point of power and influence. The gentlemen in question were surely abusing their position of power over the hired help who seemingly were being paid to accept said attention and not say anything about it. What two consenting adults get up to on a night at at the pub or night club is IMHO a rather different matter and one that rather blurs the lines in this case.
It may turn out that the touching up and sexual harassment was consensual and indeed reciprocal but at the stage the evidence suggests this isn't the case.
I am not sure the really abhorrent behaviour like the hand up skirts was dealt with. Time will tell i suppose.
blokes will always try it , women will always try it. Boundaries always pushed. I think in a crowd the blokes , the girl , the other girls would pull them up on it. Same as happens in all walks.
The event will continue , maybe under a different format but it will go on . Same as numerous events daily , weekly , yearly.
Same as clubs , bars , work places all over the country.
Nothing will change
thing is and its a fact of life , money gets you girls.
You may not like it , I may not like it.
Lots of women go after this sort of thing and aspire to have rich guys ( other way round too ).
Culture will never change so this will live on
rightly or wrongly
Good idea....maybe something like the airlines had in the late 50s/60s perhaps ? (SAS in this case)
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I can't argue with this although I am not really sure of the relevance of this in this particular case. The picture in my head of a barrister for some company MD in court in a few weeks or months saying "yeah but your honour we know its a fact that money gets you girls" is rather making me laugh
I am not really sure of the relevance of this in this particular case. The picture in my head of a barrister for some company MD in court saying "yeah but your honour we know its a fact that money gets you girls" is rather making me laugh
lol yeah
just saying , if all women stopped accepting being mis treated in the way of money then blokes with money wouldn't ever think all things can be purchased.
The report already says the majority of girls were flirting , up for bids , spending evenings with the guys so the blokes carry on and get more frenzied.
It wont be changed. Money will always raise the bar of what is accepted by "some " women so it will just go on.
It's not right but its just life.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I must have missed this bit.
So we are blaming other women/women for the poor behaviour of the men in question and not expecting them to take any responsibility for their actions?
watch the interview from the outraged hostess. She describes what plenty of the other hostesses were doing.
Not up for an argument so opting out.
Thanks
SeagullRic
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I'd take a slightly more optimistic look, change doesn't happen overnight, particularly in the case of deeply entrenched and long held cultural views and attitudes but I'd see debates such as these, with points on both sides, as evidence it can and hopefully will happen overtime.
You said in your first post about what hands up skirts etc you were 'sure it was dealt with', I'll ask again- what makes you at all sure, given there is nothing to suggest this event was different to preceding years and the disbandment and subsequent story came about only due to an undercover piece?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Which report? The one where the sex workers were brought in later in the evening?
Is it accepatable to tell a waitress to take her knickers off and dance on the table? Listen to the interview.
It's just life? It might be in some people's lives, but not the vast majority who aren't perverts and leches.
I get it now. Your feeble attempts at trying to undermine my arguments against the unacceptable treatment of women by distorting and misrepresenting my words as sexist derive from your own underlying resentment of women. You shouldn't allow your feelings of emasculation cloud your judgement on this topic. Objecting to women being sexually assaulted by a group of men isn't about feminism or female empowerment it's about basic human decency.
because the bloke wouldn't of stopped there given half a chance.