Fighting in the north, west and south...

Cowfold Seagull · Dec 13, 2014

Beach Hut said:
I have known you a while via NSC and respect you but trust me the DNA in our club is totally wrecked at present and just by changing the manager will not make anything better.

BHAFC needs a total shake up from the bottom up, we are in a total mess at present.

I'm afraid that l'm forced to agree.

Whilst l do believe that Sami has to go, he has lost the dressing room, and confidence is at an all time low, we need to do far more than that. The whole structure of the playing side of the club, from boardroom downwards is infected. Simply 'getting rid' of Sami, will only paper over the cracks.

um bongo molongo · Dec 13, 2014

Guy Fawkes said:
If referring to this incident in the WSL, then no it wasn't an over reaction imo. The guy was throwing punches and kicks at the stewards as they went to remove him after he was being overly aggressive towards a female steward and then whilst still talking to her, he had lunged at someone else looking to fight them. Even after the stewards had hold of him, he was still kicking out and one steward almost had to rugby tackle him to grab his legs and prevent the kicks. - This was after an initial incident with someone in a club tracksuit behind the dugout but he was clearly very wound up and angry (the group were later removed too without them responding by throwing punches and kicks otherwise i'd have expected that to take several stewards to remove them too)

I sit very close to it - close enough that my 75 year old dad decided he needed to get out of the way and would rather leave. Whilst the stewards were justified in manhandling him once he kicked off, he only kicked off once they decided he was to be thrown out (after a 10 minute mothers meeting down by the dugout). Yes the bloke was being a bit of a tool and very gobby, but essentially it started from him calling for Hypia and jones to be sacked. He didn't swear, but PW decided to react from his seat. To which gobby fan says "and they can sack you and all mate". PW decides that warrants him coming up the steps and telling him he's a c***. And from there it kicks off, bit of handbags but essentially dies down. Until the Stewards have their little meeting which succeeds mostly in creating a big incident out of a small one. The same stewards who were sat looking on as the millwall fans were breaking through the line of their mates in the south ten minutes earlier. The bloke was definitely being gobby but looked to me like picking on the easier target...

porkypie · Dec 13, 2014

Jim Van Winkle said:
A guy in a tracksuit with the initials - PW. Can only be Paul Warber. Warber OUT!

In all honesty this is very sad to hear of fans fighting amongst themselves. Bloom has really got to sort this mess out - Bin the Finn.

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Paul watson

?

vegster · Dec 13, 2014

TottonSeagull said:
Okay so being just in front of the melee in the WSL this is what actually happened. The guy was having a pop at Hyppia and Jones and one of the track suited coaching staff or analyst started having a pop back at him. This then led to words between the 2 which followed track suit getting up coming up the guy (whilst swearing his head off) in an intimidating manner. Scuffle then broke out between these 2. The track suit had initials PW on. Stewards prised them apart and all calmed down for 5 minutes whilst lots of supervisors and mangers were seen chin wagging together. Then around 8 stewards waded in to pull the guy out and this is when the guy and his brother and Dad kicked off. The stewards were so heavy handed and basically caused the problem and the fistie cuffs. PW tracksuit just sat there with a grin on his face (and will no doubt get no further action taken against him) and the dad and brothers were escorted out.
Now I don't condone the fighting or some of the things that were said to Jones and Hyppia (although the guy was not swearing at them) however this whole incident was caused by PW tracksuit (a club employee) and the amateurish stewarding. If they had left the incident alone and spoken to the guy after the game none of this would have happened.

Unsavoury, but, mostly because this sort of thing rarely happens these days, it seems worse than it is.

marshy68 · Dec 13, 2014

Beach Hut said:
I have known you a while via NSC and respect you but trust me the DNA in our club is totally wrecked at present and just by changing the manager will not make anything better.

BHAFC needs a total shake up from the bottom up, we are in a total mess at present.

Sad to say I agree with you. (Not because I generally don't on here) but because I feel there is something no right at the club and a new manager won't be panasia we all think it might be. Sad and worrying times.

One Teddy Maybank · Dec 13, 2014

TottonSeagull said:
Okay so being just in front of the melee in the WSL this is what actually happened. The guy was having a pop at Hyppia and Jones and one of the track suited coaching staff or analyst started having a pop back at him. This then led to words between the 2 which followed track suit getting up coming up the guy (whilst swearing his head off) in an intimidating manner. Scuffle then broke out between these 2. The track suit had initials PW on. Stewards prised them apart and all calmed down for 5 minutes whilst lots of supervisors and mangers were seen chin wagging together. Then around 8 stewards waded in to pull the guy out and this is when the guy and his brother and Dad kicked off. The stewards were so heavy handed and basically caused the problem and the fistie cuffs. PW tracksuit just sat there with a grin on his face (and will no doubt get no further action taken against him) and the dad and brothers were escorted out.
Now I don't condone the fighting or some of the things that were said to Jones and Hyppia (although the guy was not swearing at them) however this whole incident was caused by PW tracksuit (a club employee) and the amateurish stewarding. If they had left the incident alone and spoken to the guy after the game none of this would have happened.

Great summary Totton Gull - shouldn't this be reported to Barber though to see how he reacts?

PW clearly should face some action.

For what its worth, I was told by a 1901 steward tonight, that if anyone who was abusive towards Hyypia, Barber or Burke, the stewards had been told to remove them and also remove any banners. Apparently Barber was furious that someone in West Stand Upper had a pop at him at the Fulham game and wanted them arrested. All hearsay, but that is as it was described to me.

Prince Monolulu · Dec 13, 2014

One Teddy Maybank said:
For what its worth, I was told by a 1901 steward tonight, that if anyone who was abusive towards Hyypia, Barber or Burke, the stewards had been told to remove them and also remove any banners. Apparently Barber was furious that someone in West Stand Upper had a pop at him at the Fulham game and wanted them arrested.

All part of the matchday experience, especially amidst the present shambles

um bongo molongo · Dec 13, 2014

One Teddy Maybank said:
For what its worth, I was told by a 1901 steward tonight, that if anyone who was abusive towards Hyypia, Barber or Burke, the stewards had been told to remove them and also remove any banners. Apparently Barber was furious that someone in West Stand Upper had a pop at him at the Fulham game and wanted them arrested. All hearsay, but that is as it was described to me.

Sadly believable. This refusal to hear any criticism and complete denial that things are seriously wrong is looking like a bit of a theme.

daveyboy1973 · Dec 13, 2014

Anyone would actually think it's barbers ****ing club the way that idiot goes on!!! I would say the whole senior management of this club is a shambles and there is a case to actually get rid of them all and start from the beginning again!

Fozzyboy · Dec 13, 2014

porkypie said:
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Paul watson?

That's a good shout but surely a professional like Watto wouldn't react like that would he?

um bongo molongo · Dec 13, 2014

Fozzyboy said:
That's a good shout but surely a professional like Watto wouldn't react like that would he?

Just checked his most recent photo on linked in and, sad to say, yes it was him - didn't recognise him at the time.

KNC · Dec 13, 2014

Divide and rule, my friends.

Guinness Boy · Dec 13, 2014

I've just posted on my blog about how hard I'm going to find it going to the Boxing Day game with my 8 year old son if Hyypia is still in charge. My own opinion has always been to back the team on the pitch, sing for the team and get behind them during 90 minutes. Of course I broke this in the mid 90s. The gory times were protest after protest, sweary song after sweary song and it was completely needed. I'm not sure how it would have looked through 8 year old eyes though.

Of course the funny thing is that now we are NOT in gory days. We are having a bad season but a bad season in a good and secure stadium with a fan as chairman. That said I think that fan has made some terrible decisions recently. In the gory days we were together as one. Now we are split in three between the apathetic no-shows, the Sami Out brigade and the lickers.

The club is currently showing an incredible lack of leadership on and off the pitch and they are going to lose their precious match day experience for the rest of the season unless they restore it. Premier League Ready? My a**e.

The Wookiee · Dec 13, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
It's not about backing him, some people just don't like anything negative while the team are playing. I tend to agree.

I don't back him but I'm also not turning on him in the middle of a match and I can understand why doing that upsets people.

Do you remember the dark days ? Good job we all never had that attitude otherwise we would still have archer and be belloti at the club, that even if we had a club !!

The Wookiee · Dec 13, 2014

TottonSeagull said:
Okay so being just in front of the melee in the WSL this is what actually happened. The guy was having a pop at Hyppia and Jones and one of the track suited coaching staff or analyst started having a pop back at him. This then led to words between the 2 which followed track suit getting up coming up the guy (whilst swearing his head off) in an intimidating manner. Scuffle then broke out between these 2. The track suit had initials PW on. Stewards prised them apart and all calmed down for 5 minutes whilst lots of supervisors and mangers were seen chin wagging together. Then around 8 stewards waded in to pull the guy out and this is when the guy and his brother and Dad kicked off. The stewards were so heavy handed and basically caused the problem and the fistie cuffs. PW tracksuit just sat there with a grin on his face (and will no doubt get no further action taken against him) and the dad and brothers were escorted out.
Now I don't condone the fighting or some of the things that were said to Jones and Hyppia (although the guy was not swearing at them) however this whole incident was caused by PW tracksuit (a club employee) and the amateurish stewarding. If they had left the incident alone and spoken to the guy after the game none of this would have happened.

Paul Winstanley part of the scouting set up ?

Henfield One · Dec 13, 2014

marshy68 said:
Sad to say I agree with you. (Not because I generally don't on here) but because I feel there is something no right at the club and a new manager won't be panasia we all think it might be. Sad and worrying times.

Spot on. That should be the focus of our efforts post-Hyppia. The Club have to reconnect with the supporters and fast. No more spin.

Return of the Rev · Dec 13, 2014

One Teddy Maybank said:
Great summary Totton Gull - shouldn't this be reported to Barber though to see how he reacts?

PW clearly should face some action.

For what its worth, I was told by a 1901 steward tonight, that if anyone who was abusive towards Hyypia, Barber or Burke, the stewards had been told to remove them and also remove any banners. Apparently Barber was furious that someone in West Stand Upper had a pop at him at the Fulham game and wanted them arrested. All hearsay, but that is as it was described to me.

Well that club was worth fighting for :facepalm:

FalmerforAll!** · Dec 13, 2014

I actually quite enjoyed the fact it was going off in all areas of the ground. Totally destroyed the myth that our fans are 'too nice' (a myth I was starting to believe).

I think people are making a bit of a fuss over nothing about the South stand trouble though. Millwall have a history of fighting with those carpet things that separate fans in grounds. They couldn't even be bothered to throw coins. Boring *****.

stevieone58 · Dec 13, 2014

There was no fighting in the North West corner not even handbags,just heated exchanges of opinion which will happen until we get back on track as a team.As for stewards being instructed to take down any protest banners,this is an infringement of free speech and the club should not believe that they are above the fans.Me I could see both sides of the argument and that is what football is all about,differing opinions.No two people see exactly the same game.

Blues Rock DJ · Dec 13, 2014

Marty McFly said:
Couple of PWs listed here; http://www.seagulls.co.uk/club/whoswho/

think you'll find it's Paul Watson (ex-player now physio), which surprises me, he sits other side of aisle to me and is usually very calm tbf......I wasn't there last night.

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