Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

Register Log in

[News] "Support Gay Marriage" Cake Row



Triggaaar

Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,146
Goldstone
Knocky's Nose said:
If someone, whoever, in this whole process, could have just sat down and worked out all the expense and thought is it really worth all this - could it have been avoided?
Click to expand...
That depends on whether the person ordering the cake wanted to make a point or not. They could have kept going back to the shop and asking for increasingly awkward slogans for the shop to make.

'Christians who don't support gay marriage will go to hell'
etc

Not aimed at you Knocky:

What if the bakers were gay, and some god bothering tw@ asked for a slogan saying 'Marriage is a bond between man and woman'?
And if the baker was fine with that, pushing it further until they weren't?

What if the baker was a Muslim, and the customer wanted a cake mocking Islam?

Obviously there are situations when the company should be able to say no.
 








McTavish

McTavish

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2014
1,562
Knocky's Nose said:
Who could force him? I've never seen a baker in a headlock in the back of his shop, hand piping a message on a cake shouting "nooooo.. this is against my wishes!" ...

Nobody would ever make it illegal to refuse to do something you don't want to do when it comes to business. If it was made law that you HAVE to do as the customer demands, then what about a man walking into a Jewish bakery demanding they make him a bacon and cheese turnover?

As I said before, and will say again, this is bullshit with sparklers on top.
Click to expand...
That is exactly what was happening. If the baker had dropped it, he would have been considered guilty of homophobic discrimination and a precedent would have been set that it was illegal to refuse to do certain work for certain people.

It wouldn't apply to your scenario because the Jewish bakery would not usually use bacon whereas the NI baker did make cakes with messages on.

A more pertinent example might be if a Muslim had gone in to a Jewish baker and asked for a cake saying something like "Israel is a Racist State". Would a refusal have been discriminatory according to the law? The latest judgement says that it wouldn't be but if the NI judgement had gone the other way then there would be a precedent suggesting it might be.
 


McTavish

McTavish

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2014
1,562
Brighton Lines said:
I know. Sorry not to be clear. I don't think this was discrimination- but would have been had they refused to make a same sex wedding cake.
Click to expand...

I'm not sure that that is the case. If the cake had, for example, two men as grooms on the top, could the baker legitimately refuse to make it on the grounds that this went against his beliefs and he would refuse whatever the sexuality of the person ordering the cake?
 






R

rippleman

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2011
4,559
Another example of the extremist religious bigotry that still exists in one part of the UK. Religious fundamentalists are a serious and significant danger to our culture and freedoms....regardless of what religion they follow.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,388
Beside the seaside, beside the sea




Mellotron

Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,809
Brighton
rippleman said:
Another example of the extremist religious bigotry that still exists in one part of the UK. Religious fundamentalists are a serious and significant danger to our culture and freedoms....regardless of what religion they follow.
Click to expand...

...eh? Ironic that you bring up freedom given what's happening in this case, in terms of the baker's freedoms.
 












LlcoolJ

LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Triggaaar said:
That is what happened. The local courts in Northern Ireland ruled against the bakery, saying they had to make the cake.

So you could get Nike to print a shirt saying 'We used children under 10 in sweatshops to make this shirt, so we could maximise our profits. Child slavery for the win!'
Click to expand...
I'm in agreement with your point but that would actually be a good thing and very amusing.
 






daveinplzen

daveinplzen

New member
Aug 31, 2018
2,846
I'm pretty much in the don't care category. I'm sure some other baker would have supplied
Although not sure about NI where strong religious conoctations will play a part. A case of fantasy in religious belief, against the world we live in
 












You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports


Top
Link Here