pb21
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May's P45
- Thread starter nicko31
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How many labour MPs have complained about Corbyn? They don't even want him as leader, but they don't get to choose.
BensGrandad
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Which is what matters to the general public. There are many things that we say to our nearest in confidence but not make public and also in the work place but out of the ears of the boss.
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Eh? People are starved of honest Politicians, they want the truth. May should have never been leader.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Grant Shapps is just the sacrificial idiot to get the leadership election up and running, no doubt co-ordinated by Osborne in the background.
maltaseagull
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I agree, but the alternative is a JC led party which seems to want to go back on the referendum decision and make deals with the EU to stay in the single market.
The concessions we would have to accept will be free movement, massive contributions to the EU coffers and probably a worse situation than DC had negotiated.
Talk about a laughing stock - UK will be!
BensGrandad
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That may be the case but she is and she is the one that is going to lead us through Brexit. Honest politicians vanished long before Queen Victoria, they now say what suits the agenda and have done for as long as I can remember since before Harold MacMillan
I like Mrs May in as much as she seems quite caring and nice. However, she is a technocrat with a particular mindset that is incompatible with leadership. This is exemplified by the following sequence of events
1. She backs remain (lukewarm, but...)
2. She (her cause) loses the referendum.
3. Cameron, who also loses the referendum, resigns as tory leader.
4. She thinks 'yeah, I'm in the same boat, I have to resign, too'
Oh....
No she thinks 'I support the will of the people, whether I disagree lukewarmly or strongly, and yet I think I am fit to champion this important issue with which I disagree. I shall stand to be tory leader!'.
Never gonna work, is it?
1. She backs remain (lukewarm, but...)
2. She (her cause) loses the referendum.
3. Cameron, who also loses the referendum, resigns as tory leader.
4. She thinks 'yeah, I'm in the same boat, I have to resign, too'
Oh....
No she thinks 'I support the will of the people, whether I disagree lukewarmly or strongly, and yet I think I am fit to champion this important issue with which I disagree. I shall stand to be tory leader!'.
Never gonna work, is it?
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The referendum decision was to leave the EU. There were NO terms. There are bound to be deals. Your idea of Brexit may be 'Brexit means Brexit' (i.e., we just rip up all the arrangments and introduce a visa to visit Calais (and ditto between Northern Irland and the south); however this was not on the ballot paper. Nothing was on the ballot paper. Just yes or no....
We have no idea what Labour might go for. It is not their shout (yet). I am hoping that if they get in, and enter discussions (if they win an election called early....not likely to be called early since look what happened to the tories recently - power is all) they state beforehand that if they cannot get a deal that makes sense, they will not sign (NO Brexit) but instead call a general election, with 'remain' as their main manifsto pledge.
I realise this is all unlikely for numerous reasons, but it is the only pathway that makes any sense to me. My loathing for Cameron's feckless stupidity - calling a referendum he could not guarantee to win - and May's - taking the driving seat in a journey she previously declined to support - have no limits.
I will save my opprobrium for Labour till they are running the show - which is by no means guaranteed. After all - everyone *loves* Boris.... he will save the tory day .......
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I think she will be gone in a week.
Some kicked off a year ago, but have now disappeared on the back benches, or swallowed their pride. I never expected that insane turnaround in Corbyn's popularity just before the last election. I still don't get it. But nobody in labour wants to argue with it right now. Corbyn has never been much bothered about whether people in his own party agree with him. But he's stamped his authority on his party, and that's that for now.
But the point is, if he was leader he'd have even more MPs against him than May does, which makes the number of MPs against May a bit of an irrelevance.Some kicked off a year ago, but have now disappeared on the back benches, or swallowed their pride. I never expected that insane turnaround in Corbyn's popularity just before the last election. I still don't get it. But nobody in labour wants to argue with it right now. Corbyn has never been much bothered about whether people in his own party agree with him. But he's stamped his authority on his party, and that's that for now.
Is it? I'm not so sure. If labour do get in, it would be a bit of a farce if, even with a majority of, say, 40, Corbs were stymied by 100 Blairite MPs voting with the blues. I don't see that happening myself, but if it is a commonly anticipated scenario one can hardly blame Corbyn for changing the party rules in his favour (reselection and deselecion etc). Anyway, politics is almost impossible to predict these days. That, and someone will nevertheless make a massive profit spread betting. I Bet [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] is on to it
JC Footy Genius
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The Tory conference was flat and in desperate need of a strong Leaders speech to draw a line under the disappointing election result and refocus the tory troops setting the news agenda. The problems during the speech prevented this from happening and although not her fault play into the narrative that the Tories are in a mess.
But it's just a narrative I'll ignore. They're not going to call another election, and there's no one who can step up to take her place. Surely we all want the best deal possible for Brexit, so we should just let them get on with it.