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Cyclist on illegal bike who killed a pedestrian on manslaughter charged 'blamed victim'
- Thread starter Garage_Doors
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Make everyone carry PLI, the insurance companies will love it. What a wonderful world . . . .
Sorry I'm still not seeing this and yet more specific numbers, like the number of people you regularly rode with through central London. isn't helping.
But as I could easily lurch into a gandaddad poster here, I'm going to step away now.
After all it's not as if I'm saying no cyclist jump lights, my bone of contention is always the quantity.
By virtue of the fact (clearly not quite) nobody ever notices anybody doing anything law abiding.
Make pedestrians carry it too - the single most dangerous thing I see when cycling is pedestrians just stepping into the road without looking. Presumably they do this because they can't hear any cars so assume it must be safe (either that or they just don't care).
Not sure what you'd confiscate, though... their shoes?
Do they?
Do all the police refuse to enforce the law?
Cheeky Monkey
Well-known member
- Jul 17, 2003
- 23,033
Indeed. To an extent you'll more likely notice things relevant to your own likes/dislikes or agenda. Buy a Suzuki S-90 and you'll notice more of them on the road while subconsciously filtering out many of the Nissan Serenas passing you by.
I try to avoid cycling in towns for this very reason. I have been close to smashing with pedestrians looking at their phones three or four times. I also get irritated by people seeing a cyclist and not realising how fast you can go. Cars overtaking in a 30 think they can quickly nip out and pull back in again, but when you are going at anything above 20 mph it actually takes a relatively long distance to overtake which can lead to near misses with people pulling in too soon. Pedestrians often don't realise how quickly a bike will be upon them.
I think you may have misinterpreted the results. What it that 20% of cyclists jumped each red light?
As Stat Bro says, you'd have to see every light a cyclist went through to be sure they jumped none of them.
Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
After the 2nd time did you not think that you should go a bit slower and try to anticipate when pedestrians might be stepping out without looking?
looney
Banned
- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
They have prob been reading your posts on NSC and taking issue have tried to run you down.
looney
Banned
- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
Ive noticed it, cyclists are right buggers when it comes to lights and zebra crossings, Maybe because not having the width of a car they can skip across without hitting people, this of course does not make it right.
I almost had a head on on the downs link with a cyclist looking at his phone so its not just pedestrians or car drivers.
Garage_Doors
Originally the Swankers
- Thread starter
- #172
You can't have a "sensitive camera" they are calibrated, they have to be so they can be use to prosecute, if you managed to set one off then you have to have been doing more than 33 mph.
Of course, as I said right at the outset, it's not a scientific survey. It was merely something I undertook for my own amusement/edification as I kept hearing how 'most cyclists jumped the lights', my own rough estimate is that about a fifth of cyclists jumped these particular lights but to make it more rigorous, I'd have needed to do it at multiple locations across London (and then at other parts of the UK) and at different times of the day.
My own gut feeling is that it wouldn't be a million miles away from 20% although, like SB, I think that's slightly high. I've repeated the experiment in Brighton but for a shorter period and it came out at about 15% - I reckon that a nationwide figure would probably be something like 16 or 17% but I have nothing concrete to base that on.
I wasn't saying it wasn't rigorous enough or that you need to do more, I was just saying that you wrote the result down incorrectly. You said
"between 18 and 22 percent of cyclists rode through red lights every week".
What you meant was
"between 18 and 22 percent of cyclists rode through each red light"
That's very different and much worse. The former means they'd only have to jump through one red light in the whole week. The latter means that people are jumping lights very regularly.
maltaseagull
Well-known member
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Speed cameras have to calibrated, but there are lots of cameras at traffic lights now. Motorists get taken to court for going through red lights too.
Hardly saintly.
Spend the next x years knowing I'd killed a toddler running across a cycle path to get an ice cream, or ride on the road, pitting my wits against all the drongos behind the wheel of their 1 tonne death boxes.
As said I'd rather the drivers conscience was in turmoil for killing me to death, than my own.
maltaseagull
Well-known member
I have no ideal where I picked it up from (that usually means Alan Partridge) anyway it makes me smile, sorry if you are offended.
ferring seagull
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- Dec 30, 2010
- 4,607
As a cyclist myself, perhaps there needs to be a cycling speed limit anywhere near pedestrians who don't hear cyclists (perhaps an audible alert on cycles) but really it has to be said that cyclist at even 15+ mph are a risk !
Expects to be flamed !!