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Perpetual motion?
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Trufflehound
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There seem to be three types of people posting on this thread.
Those who understand maths and physics.
And those who don't.
Those who understand maths and physics.
And those who don't.
rogersix
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every heavenly body spins, they have to. absolutely everything. the sun, moon, all of the planets, black holes, galaxies, everything.
read up about the magnetosphere that is the sun, it's fascinating; creating sunspots and the ionic solar wind which forms the borealis.
all of this requires energy derived from the fusion reactor known as the great god RA!
rogersix
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they weren't just watching it, they were obviously negotiating for the patent
rogersix
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I said: gravity and magnitism is energy'
i believe einstein no less, described gravity as a distortion in the space time continuum thingumy, caused by matter;
(stuff with mass[cold energy]), you can't turn gravity into energy but you can with matter
i believe einstein no less, described gravity as a distortion in the space time continuum thingumy, caused by matter;
(stuff with mass[cold energy]), you can't turn gravity into energy but you can with matter
Pevenseagull
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Sadly their careers didn't overlap but if they had one way to find out was for Duffy to mark Duncan Ferguson defending a corner.
I would love to see that.
rogersix
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TBF to [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION], he is desperately trying to explain to you this thing that you are quite obviously interested in curiosity is good!
it doesn't lift the ball, the rails are raised and lowered. the flipper as you call, it gives some energy to the pendulums
by the by, what does strawmanned mean?
Ok, I'm not going to get drawn into that debate. So long as we're clear that it isn't a perpetual motion machine (as that is impossible), then fine
rogersix
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He felt I tried to make an argument about something he hadn't said. I just responded to one of his posts, perhaps without full regard to the context in which it was made, and it escalated from there.
I'm in Ho.. er, erm, Horsham. Yes, Horsham, that's it.where do you live? i've packed me jimjams
rogersix
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Note that although a lot smaller than earth, and a long way away, the moon is still able to reduce the effect of earth's gravity on us, which is why we have tides.
i don't mean to be pedantic but tides are; moon/sun, 50/50!
That's a slight misrepresentation of the truth. It's true that if I know I'm right I'll argue 'til the end. But I'm not doing it to be pedantic. I am guilty of being pedantic, but that's a separate thing. People often pick me up on my mistakes in a pedantic way, and I've no issue with that, I find it funny. I'm only arguing about this because you have it all wrong.
No, I took issue with the fact that you thought that the machine wasn't losing energy by making heat and noise, because you thought gravity was providing energy back to the machine. That has nothing to do with being pedantic, you just misunderstood how the machine works (which, to be fair, is the intention of the video) and I tried to explain it. I told you I wasn't being pedantic, I was being honest and straightforward, you clearly don't believe me, you think I'm just being a ****, which is why I'm now pissed off with you.
You obviously can't have gravitational potential energy without gravity, but that doesn't mean gravity is creating the energy. It probably seems pedantic to you, but knowing that gravity doesn't create potential energy is important to understanding why the original video is a hoax.
rogersix
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it's not a machine it's a toy. if it worked he would be the most celebrated, richest man on earth.
instead of sculpting gorgeous women he would be
I'm now going to spend 10 hours researching whether it's exactly 50/50, or slightly more one than the otheri don't mean to be pedantic but tides are; moon/sun, 50/50!
yxee
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This can't work, energy is lost as sound, heat from rolling friction in the ball, the track, and the other moving parts, and via viscous dissipation of the air that has to move out of the way of the ball. That energy comes from the kinetic energy in the ball.
A grandfather clock maintains its motion for months without being touched, that alone does not demonstrate perpetual motion. The moon has been rotating around the earth for millions of years, why don't people find that amazing as it's far closer to a perpetual motion machine than this. Even the moon loses some energy via to tidal forces and is not truly perpetual.
A grandfather clock maintains its motion for months without being touched, that alone does not demonstrate perpetual motion. The moon has been rotating around the earth for millions of years, why don't people find that amazing as it's far closer to a perpetual motion machine than this. Even the moon loses some energy via to tidal forces and is not truly perpetual.
rogersix
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splitting the water molecule and reforming it both require energy(living things!). all of [MENTION=8619]Guy Fawkes[/MENTION] 's examples aren't isolated systems
rogersix
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there are lots, not that i can remember them all! but, chemical and thermal are two more
No, they're both forms of potential energy.
rogersix
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we are not home and dry yet; not even home and vigorously towelling ourselves off!