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How much is the Referendum Campaign influencing you?

Has the Campaign changed your mind?

  • Began thinking ‘LEAVE’ – still think ‘LEAVE’

    Votes: 85 31.0%

  • Began thinking ‘LEAVE’ – now think ‘STAY’

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Began thinking ‘LEAVE’ – now ‘DON’T KNOW’

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Began thinking ‘DON’T KNOW’ – still think ‘DON’T KNOW’

    Votes: 16 5.8%

  • Began thinking ‘DON’T KNOW’ – now think ‘LEAVE’

    Votes: 19 6.9%

  • Began thinking ‘DON’T KNOW’ – now think ‘STAY’

    Votes: 9 3.3%

  • Began thinking ‘STAY’ – still think ‘STAY’

    Votes: 119 43.4%

  • Began thinking ‘STAY’ – now think ‘LEAVE’

    Votes: 12 4.4%

  • Began thinking ‘STAY’ – now ‘DON’T KNOW’

    Votes: 8 2.9%
  • Total voters
    274
  • Poll closed .






midnight_rendezvous

midnight_rendezvous

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2012
3,737
The Black Country
Both campaigns have been utterly awful. Any sensible debate has been tossed out the window and now it seems to be down to who can scare people into voting the way they want them to. Will be glad when it's all over.
 


Murray 17

Murray 17

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
2,159
sussex_guy2k2 said:
If your children's only goal is to own a property, I'd suggest they either move abroad or move to another part of the country. You know, where house prices are cheaper.
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Those are the only likely options for many, even now.

The social impact of this is not great though - moving away from the support of your family network and friends.
 




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Brovion

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 6, 2003
19,416
Bozza said:
It's great to do this to a Lord Bracknell poll:

Where's the option for 'no impact at all - I've given is absolutely no thought whatsoever yet nor read nor listened to any of the debate about it?'

In the absence of that, I've gone for: Began thinking ‘DON’T KNOW’ – still think ‘DON’T KNOW’
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Yeah that's my view. Brexit say if we leave we'll be much better off and masters of our own destiny. Remain say if we leave then within three months they'll be ten million British unemployed, we'll all be living out of dustbins and Germany will have invaded Poland. Both sides talk bollocks. I hate the EU with a passion but I think we can possibly do more harm to it by staying in and trying to wreck it from the inside. My wife and I have said that whichever way one votes the other will vote the other - that way we can both stay at home as our votes will cancel each other out.
 






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Brovion

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 6, 2003
19,416
cunning fergus said:
If you were honest you would admit that the REAL power behind the EU is global capitalists, the Commission is merely a handmaiden to their interests.

I know is not a problem for those inners who are unashamed free market Tories like you, Hampster Gull, 5ways etc. because you accept this relationship and seek to vigorously defend it from any criticism.

For genuine socialists, and those with progressive intent we understand clearly that the EU is in the grip of rapacious monetarists, and the political will to prevent economic devastation to the poor is unchecked by the existing legislative framework of the EU. That is a fact Margaret and I can prove why........

http://www.anothereurope.org/vote-i...anis-varoufakis-john-mcdonnell-and-many-more/

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-0154-Remain-activists-rally-for-another-Europe

These inners are campaigning today in London to stay in the EU in order to change it from what it is today. For once we can clearly understand what they consider the faults of the EU to be.......and I wholeheartedly agree with them, or at least in relation to democracy any transparency. I don't think they are serving the vested interests of the British working class, but there you are.

Fact is they want to change the EU from an institution that does secret TTIP negotiations to privatise public services, and to resist austerity on the poor by reckless financiers.......etc. At last, honesty about he EU.

The question is however, can they do this? A vote for in is therefore a jump into the dark that they can.

I would argue, as would have Tony Benn, that now is the time too pull the rug from under the feet of the capitalists, a vote out is the only radical step available, a vote in will sadly be seen as endorsing he status quo.

It's that simple.
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You are possibly the only person in this entire debate, (and I don't just mean on NSC) who speaks any sense whatsoever on this subject. Fair play.
 


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Trevor

In my Fifties, still know nothing
NSC Patron
Dec 16, 2012
2,180
Milton Keynes
Very annoying campaign. Lots of deliberate misinformation from both sides. Many of our leading politicians (Osborne, Cameron, Johnson) should hang their heads in shame
 




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Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
cunning fergus said:
If you were honest you would admit that the REAL power behind the EU is global capitalists, the Commission is merely a handmaiden to their interests.

I know is not a problem for those inners who are unashamed free market Tories like you, Hampster Gull, 5ways etc. because you accept this relationship and seek to vigorously defend it from any criticism.....

It's that simple.
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Pro free market doesn't mean Tory. There are many left governments pro free markets. Its not difficult, have a look around. I suspect centre left parties are not for you, which is fair enough. What are you for? Clearly a Brexit. And once out? What extreme of hard left?
 


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The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,514
Hampster Gull said:
Pro free market doesn't mean Tory. There are many left governments pro free markets. Its not difficult, have a look around. I suspect centre left parties are not for you, which is fair enough. What are you for? Clearly a Brexit. And once out? What extreme of hard left?
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Hard left, Hard right or centralist government. We can, if they bugger about ,vote them out. Little Britain within the EU with their voice drowned out by rabble will be ineffective and we the public will have NO say.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,864
The Fatherland
The Rivet said:
Hard left, Hard right or centralist government. We can, if they bugger about ,vote them out. Little Britain within the EU with their voice drowned out by rabble will be ineffective and we the public will have NO say.
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Grow into Great Britain and raise your voice then
 




Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
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Jul 11, 2003
59,864
The Fatherland
Hampster Gull said:
Pro free market doesn't mean Tory. There are many left governments pro free markets. Its not difficult, have a look around.
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Or look up social democracy in the dictionary?
 








Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,864
The Fatherland
The Rivet said:
Hi tubby :wave:
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I need to go out now, craft beer is calling. My point is that Britain can, and should, play a big part in Europe...like the French and the Germans do.
 




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sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
Plooks said:
That argument does not address what we would do with the extra cash? How much would it cost us to not be part of the eu? And how much does being part of the eu give us back in return and how does that compare with if we left?
It is not even half an argument it ia just a number with no meaning.
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The customer is always right remember and that's what we're to Europe mostly...we buy they sell and we decide how much :)
 


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Neville's Breakfast

Well-known member
May 1, 2016
13,423
Oxton, Birkenhead
Bulldog said:
Tough question, I'm out but will be voting in.

Let me explain. I will be 62 this year and won't live to see the long term impact of the decision either way, but my kids will. They are both strong in supporters who believe that the countries, and their future would be much better in.
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Interesting, I was instinctively an 'in' until the accelerated immigration of the last few years. Simple economics tells me that this big increase in housing demand is having an upwards effect upon rental and property prices and a downward effect on wages. The big winners of EU membership are the rich who already own houses and don't have to compete at the bottom of the employment market. For that reason (and against my instincts) I am voting out for a better future for my children. The debate hasn't affected that decision at all as the future of my family is fundamental to my decision.
 




pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
mass immigration from both the EU and outside the EU for those coming here legally is not sustainable in these numbers.
add in those living and working here illegally along with those living here legally but working illegally puts a 100,000(allegadly) a year onto the total.

carry on like this this system will one day go pop!

we need a unified system for everyone, an extension of current rules enforced on non EU nationals to include EU nationals. This would end discrimination on nationality,make it a fair playing field for everyone wishing to come here whether from Poland or India,allow US to select those coming in.

With this system and outside the EU you have the added bonus of being able to try and vote out a government that polices immigration badly and replacing them

I really dont see why so many people object to having control of our borders.....seems absurd
 


Super Steve Earle

Super Steve Earle

Well-known member
Feb 23, 2009
8,398
North of Brighton
Just as a footballing aside regarding a football club dear to our hearts, what would a ' Leave' mean for our generous sponsors American Express? Would they retain their European HQ here in lovely Brighton, if we are no longer actually in Europe? Would they up sticks and move to somewhere like Spain and take their stadium naming rights, shirt sponsorship and other financial support away with them? I love that we have a worldwide brand behind us.
 


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