[Politics] Brexit

Lincoln Imp · Mar 20, 2017

East Preston Gull said:
The Dutch have slashed again( whatever way the liberals and their media bitches spin it).The French and the Germans will cut it deep then the Greeks will finally slay it for good.

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Pretty lurid interpretations here but let's cut to the chase. What specifically are you predicting will happen will happen in the French election? We can deal with the German knifing and the Greek coup de grace later perhaps.

East Preston Gull · Mar 20, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
Pretty lurid interpretations here but let's cut to the chase. What specifically are you predicting will happen will happen in the French election? We can deal with the German knifing and the Greek coup de grace later perhaps.

I predict that macron, who served in Hollande's Socialist government but is conning the French people, with the help of the French press, by claiming to be a centrist, will win the French presidency but only by a small margin from Le Pen, who may gather up a few Fillon voters.

Le Pen will not go away and will end up forcing the Macron led government to do a Cameron and call a referendum which will see France leave the EU.
France is the EU ( Germany is the EU financial arm) and when that happens it is game,set and match.

I look forward to the future bounce of this thread by one of us Mr Lincoln imp, to see who gets the na na na medal.

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alfredmizen · Mar 20, 2017

The Clamp said:
They will move there for the fact it is one of the most powerful financial hubs in the World. And we are about to become one of the least powerful.

You show youre ignorance with that statement , had you been talking about Singapore, Hong Kong , New York I'd have taken you seriously , one of the most powerful financial hubs in the world ? it's not even 2nd in Europe, Zurich is bigger , I'd say it just about scrapes into the top 20 in the world.

alfredmizen · Mar 20, 2017

The Clamp said:
Father served 20+ in Royal Navy. He would have been gutted at this result. He'd seen the world and knew unity was better than going it alone.

That's funny , so did nibbles , who'd have thought it ?

studio150 · Mar 20, 2017

brighton fella said:
Terrorist activity on Europe's mainland has never been so high.

I don't want a league table, but Europe has suffered terrorism in the past from ETA and the RAF, and if you included with the EU, and therefore include the IRA there have been many attacks resulting in death, injury and damage

Soulman · Mar 20, 2017

alfredmizen said:
That's funny , so did nibbles , who'd have thought it ?

Maybe they served together.

Two Professors · Mar 20, 2017

lawros left foot said:
I'm not saying that the invasion of Iraq wasn't a massive mistake by all allied participants, I just believe that Brexit will have a worse effect on the whole country for a far longer time.

I think you'll find Desert Storm was the operation to liberate Kuwait from Iraq, not the invasion of Iraq

Oh,pardon me.Did the Allies get lost on the way to Kuwait?

I know the Royal Navy aren't very good with borders in this area,but not an invasion of Iraq?You will be telling me next that the 20,000 odd Iraqi deaths were in a road traffic accident.

Kinky Gerbil · Mar 20, 2017

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-50billion-Sir-Bill-Cash-Germany-war-debt-WW2

FFS

BigGully · Mar 20, 2017

East Preston Gull said:
Our voices may not be heard in London but at least we can vote them out and try again. The Brussels Mafia will never listen and we can never remove them.

We can get out of this Union, which has crept up on us in a sinister way over the last 20 years. Nobody wanted this one Europe, and nobody voted for it. It has been allowed to grow way above its intention and within another 10 years will be impossible to control. We have stabbed at the beast and inflicted some flesh wounds. The Dutch have slashed again( whatever way the liberals and their media bitches spin it).The French and the Germans will cut it deep then the Greeks will finally slay it for good.

The EU is a dying rotting corpse and I am proud to of inflicted one if those wounds.

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But they get Scotland ..............

studio150 · Mar 20, 2017

Kinky Gerbils said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-50billion-Sir-Bill-Cash-Germany-war-debt-WW2

FFS

But leavers are happy to pay as we have our country back. How can we as a country that is supposed to be becoming great again on our own go cap in hand and ask for a £50bn bill to be written off.

What next we declare ourselves bankrupt and offer 2p in the £1 on all Government bonds loans and debts.

Tinpot.

Kinky Gerbil · Mar 20, 2017

studio150 said:
But leavers are happy to pay as we have our country back. How can we as a country that is supposed to be becoming great again on our own go cap in hand and ask for a £50bn bill to be written off.

What next we declare ourselves bankrupt and offer 2p in the £1 on all Government bonds loans and debts.

Tinpot.

Why would you even bring the war into it?

Baldseagull · Mar 20, 2017

bashlsdir said:
You mean paying for the pensions of all those bureaucrats. You think that's good value for money, because I don't. What have these people ever done for me? Nothing.

Some of them have been approving the car you drive, to make sure you have half a chance of surviving a crash, some of them have been organising drug trials so you can get treatments for cancer, some of them have been crafting the law that protects your consumer rights across the EU, or your health and safety, or your environment. There are others in the patent office and things like that which you may not have had a direct need for, but we need people in these bureaucratic roles, whether they work for the UK government or for 28 governments. Saves a bit of cash though if we do these things once for 28 nations though as opposed to 28 times.
There are a million and one ways in which the EU bureaucrats have benefitted you, all that legislation that Farage got you all het up about was mostly stuff to protect you in one way or another.

Lincoln Imp · Mar 20, 2017

East Preston Gull said:
I predict that macron, who served in Hollande's Socialist government but is conning the French people, with the help of the French press, by claiming to be a centrist, will win the French presidency but only by a small margin from Le Pen, who may gather up a few Fillon voters.

Le Pen will not go away and will end up forcing the Macron led government to do a Cameron and call a referendum which will see France leave the EU.
France is the EU ( Germany is the EU financial arm) and when that happens it is game,set and match.

I look forward to the future bounce of this thread by one of us Mr Lincoln imp, to see who gets the na na na medal.

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With the TV debates to come, the inexperienced Macron isn't home and dried yet but assuming he comes first or second in round one the polls suggest that he will win round two by far more than the 'small margin' you mention. Will it be enough to bounce a President Macron into a referendum, as Cameron was (and as you predict)? I see few comparisons. Macron is strongly pro-EU, Cameron was lukewarm. Macron's party (such as it is) is pro-European, Cameron's was riven by Eurosceptic dissidents. Macron has a brain, Cameron was (and is) always a lightweight chancer. The chances of a referendum must be far less.

Even if there was one, the French, whilst no strangers to extreme political opinions, do not have a history of buying into the rightwing tabloid-led shockjock populism that led to the current situation in Britain and America. But as you say, we shall see. We live in strange times after all.

jakarta · Mar 20, 2017

Baldseagull said:
Some of them have been approving the car you drive, to make sure you have half a chance of surviving a crash, some of them have been organising drug trials so you can get treatments for cancer, some of them have been crafting the law that protects your consumer rights across the EU, or your health and safety, or your environment. There are others in the patent office and things like that which you may not have had a direct need for, but we need people in these bureaucratic roles, whether they work for the UK government or for 28 governments. Saves a bit of cash though if we do these things once for 28 nations though as opposed to 28 times.
There are a million and one ways in which the EU bureaucrats have benefitted you, all that legislation that Farage got you all het up about was mostly stuff to protect you in one way or another.

Do you really think we never did any of this stuff entirely well by ourselves up to 1974?

Do you really think hundreds of EU bureaucrats having to discuss these things (no doubt over agreeable lunches) saved us cash?

What a lot of bollocks.

studio150 · Mar 20, 2017

Kinky Gerbils said:
Why would you even bring the war into it?

I've no idea particularly as part of the 1953 deal was writing off WW1 payments which is 100 years ago.

No doubt tomorrow we will be asking for inflation to be applied to the write off and therefore working out that Germany still owes us money.

sir albion · Mar 20, 2017

The Clamp said:
Father served 20+ in Royal Navy. He would have been gutted at this result. He'd seen the world and knew unity was better than going it alone.

Depends what you mean by unity as we've not had much of that with France or Germany to be honest and going by how the eu is run it would never improve as its all one way traffic.....Didn't have to be that way but we never had any say in Brussels.
I'd say we've had far better unitys outside Europe

Two Professors · Mar 20, 2017

So the EU supporters on here are quite happy to pay a huge amount of money with no accounting what for,to an organisation that has no idea why it is raising a bill,other than for spite.But you are quite happy for a country which owes many Billions of Euros to the countries it pillaged and ravaged not to pay any back.Some of you even seem happy that it doesn't pay it's dues towards an organisation that has kept Europe safe since the last round of severe unpleasantness from the Germans.(NATO,not the EU).Please hand in your passports on the way out!

alfredmizen · Mar 20, 2017

Two Professors said:
So the EU supporters on here are quite happy to pay a huge amount of money with no accounting what for,to an organisation that has no idea why it is raising a bill,other than for spite.But you are quite happy for a country which owes many Billions of Euros to the countries it pillaged and ravaged not to pay any back.Some of you even seem happy that it doesn't pay it's dues towards an organisation that has kept Europe safe since the last round of severe unpleasantness from the Germans.(NATO,not the EU).Please hand in your passports on the way out!

Superb post :thumbsup:

lawros left foot · Mar 20, 2017

Two Professors said:
Oh,pardon me.Did the Allies get lost on the way to Kuwait?
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I know the Royal Navy aren't very good with borders in this area,but not an invasion of Iraq?You will be telling me next that the 20,000 odd Iraqi deaths were in a road traffic accident.

You obviously don't know he difference between an invasion, e.g. to invade and occupy a country, and a tactical manoeuvre to reach an objective.
Operation Desert storm was the latter, hence the allies didn't goahead with regime change, and occupation of the whole of Iraq.
Operation Enduring Freedom, in 2003, was an invasion, with a view to regime change and to occupy the whole of Iraq.
But then I think you probably knew this, but you just find it hard to admit you're wrong,
I would not have said Operation Desert storm was a mistake, in my original post, as it was an excellent military campaign, that achieved its aims, with a minimum of allied casualties, and it liberated Kuwait, under a UN mandate.
Operation Enduring freedom,and especially what came after, are a whole new kettle of fish.

Wrong-Direction · Mar 20, 2017

Record numbers of EU staff have quit the NHS, the crisis is not far off breaking point, having to pay for health care will soon be a reality unfortunately.

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