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Corbyn about to be sectioned methinks?











W.C.

New member
Oct 31, 2011
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This is a ridiculous standpoint worthy of idiotic militant wishy washy left wing rubbish bullcrap rhetoric that you hear from uninformed students.

:facepalm: sorry, who's being childish?
 






BeardyChops

Active member
Jan 24, 2009
461
That shows the blast radius for 100,000 kt bomb but the biggest ever built was only 50,000kt, the so called Tsar Bomb and only one of those was ever actually built and detonated in Russia.

Yep, I just went for the worst case.
50,000kt reassuringly wipes out croydon but leaves Brighton clear.

I imagine the trains would be royally f'ked tho.
 








Fitzcarraldo

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2010
961
No, because they are a member of Nato and protected by those of us that do have the deterrent. Out of interest, if everyone gave up their weapons voluntarily, except for Russia, would you trust Putin?

Surely that is the point? We would still be in NATO protected by the US's atomic missiles. We're not leaving NATO. Don't the US maintain ours anyway? It's unlikely we will stop being a US's poodle anytime soon and I am fairly sure they would never disarm so what difference does it make if we have them or not? Do you think you sleep better at night knowing somewhere under the Atlantic there is a submarine stuffed full of nuclear warheads ready to be shot off whenever David Cameron decides?

Your point about point Putin is void as no one is talking about the French, the US and whoever else has them getting rid of their atomic bombs. We are talking about the UK.
 


sahel

Active member
Jan 24, 2014
224
It probably wouldn't but with a very conservative estimate of £2b it would go a little way to helping.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/08/to-defend-the-nhs-stop-health-tourism/

I have read that article so to get a fair balance I suggest you read the guardian article at www.theguardian.com/politics/reality/health-tourists-costing-nhs-2bn

as always things are more complicated than you think and are spun to support a particular view. For myself I prefer the Guardian to the Spectator for my information.
 






drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,085
Burgess Hill

Are you deliberately missing the point that was made earlier? What you have posted is about a nuclear war where there would be widespread attacks on mulitple targets. The scenario made previously was one bomb on London and the question was how much that would affect. Your response was that it would eventually kill everyone in the UK which is ill informed.
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Really good post. I see none of the Trident keepers have answered it. Who are we deterring, and how does Germany manage?

If Russia is the main deterent, if they wanted to invade why would they fire a nuclear bomb? Their conventional forces are better than ours. It would be us that would have to suggest we would have fire a nuke first. Which leads onto.

How independent is it. Could we really fire, without usa approval.

I think having Trident is all about supposed power and a saet on security council. We would be better off spending that money on ships that can protect the new aircraft carriers, plus reversing the other cuts to conventional forced. It is they that are used in defence.
This proves you don't know what you're talking about.
 


drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,085
Burgess Hill
I have read that article so to get a fair balance I suggest you read the guardian article at www.theguardian.com/politics/reality/health-tourists-costing-nhs-2bn

as always things are more complicated than you think and are spun to support a particular view. For myself I prefer the Guardian to the Spectator for my information.
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Think I've found the article. It's a fair point but it seems nigh on impossible to get a definitive cost. The article refers to people travelling abroad for treatment but the question that would need to be answered is whether that treatment is covered by the NHS, ie is it cosmetic for example. Does it include patients sent abroad but paid for by the NHS? Does it include dental work as I have heard of people going abroad for that. As we know, most work you get done by a dentist seems to be outside of cover from the NHS!!!!
 




glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Are you deliberately missing the point that was made earlier? What you have posted is about a nuclear war where there would be widespread attacks on mulitple targets. The scenario made previously was one bomb on London and the question was how much that would affect. Your response was that it would eventually kill everyone in the UK which is ill informed.

OK lets say it just London then depending on the size of the warhead,you might survive the blast in Burgess Hill but the radiation will evetually get there, as will all those who survive the blast in London.
the radiation will be carried by them as well as in the water supply.
good luck with getting anyone to treat you in the hospitals or finding uncontaminated food
 


drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,085
Burgess Hill
OK lets say it just London then depending on the size of the warhead,you might survive the blast in Burgess Hill but the radiation will evetually get there, as will all those who survive the blast in London.
the radiation will be carried by them as well as in the water supply.
good luck with getting anyone to treat you in the hospitals or finding uncontaminated food

Absolute rubbish.
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
24,630
West is BEST
I think The Conservative party are the Ministerial dept of the country's wealthiest citizens. They exist to protect the elite's interest. It's the entire reason they were established. Corbyn, for all his faults wants a government that protects everybody in society and recognise the most vulnerable. There is merit in that but the country as a whole, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to see it, as 2/3 of the last century have seen Tory rule.
 


heathgate

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NSC Patron
Apr 13, 2015
3,498
Insane amounts of young people are getting behind Corbyn, along with returning Labour voters.
You cannot win an election by connecting only to the young labour voters,...his suggested additional connection to returning labour voters is far outweighed by the middle ground rejecting his extreme left policies.... he is a lame duck, soon to be outed by the party.

I actually think it's clever, stick this extreme duffer in the top labour role, let him stir the pot for a couple of years, then just before the next election campaign gets going, boot him out and bring in a more acceptable candidate ( Miliband, D? )..... The swingometer will be going mad.....
 




Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,236
Goldstone
I think The Conservative party are the Ministerial dept of the country's wealthiest citizens. They exist to protect the elite's interest. It's the entire reason they were established. Corbyn, for all his faults wants a government that protects everybody in society and recognise the most vulnerable. There is merit in that but the country as a whole, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to see it, as 2/3 of the last century have seen Tory rule.
I guess most of the country don't agree with your opinion on why the tory party exist or who they serve, otherwise they wouldn't get in power.
 


Moshe Gariani

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2005
12,105
I think The Conservative party are the Ministerial dept of the country's wealthiest citizens. They exist to protect the elite's interest. It's the entire reason they were established. Corbyn, for all his faults wants a government that protects everybody in society and recognise the most vulnerable. There is merit in that but the country as a whole, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to see it, as 2/3 of the last century have seen Tory rule.
It is human nature for people's first instinct to be acting in their own interest.

Corbyn's vision for our country under a Labour government is transparently a decent one. He would no more desire to swill champagne and shag a pig than he would be able to fly to the moon...
 


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