The Jeremy Corbyn thread

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Aug 15, 2018

midnight_rendezvous said:
If you had read my posts you’d have seen that I’m unhappy with his lack of inclination to fight Brexit.

Why would JC fight Brexit?

He has always been anti the EU, and his apathy towards the referendum was clear.

It's ironic that all these 18-30 year olds swooning over JC when they want to remain, and JC has always wanted to leave.

midnight_rendezvous · Aug 15, 2018

Lower West Stander said:
So it is all the press - nothing to do with the man himself.....

Out of interest. Do you condone him attending IRA rallies in the 80s as well?

Well, in the wreath ‘incident’, considering it was all nonsense, yes. Some simple fact checking is enough to put that matter to bed.

You mean when he was picketing for a fair trial for a group including Patrick Magee? There can be no serious claim that Corbyn endorsed or supported IRA violence at the time: no such evidence exists. The more reasonable version of this claim runs thus: that Corbyn was either too romantic or sentimental about the Republican movement, too trusting of its claims to want only peace, and too lax on connections between the political and armed wings of the movement.

It amounts less to a political endorsement of terrorism than a question of his political judgement.

midnight_rendezvous · Aug 15, 2018

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Why would JC fight Brexit?

He has always been anti the EU, and his apathy towards the referendum was clear.

It's ironic that all these 18-30 year olds swooning over JC when they want to remain, and JC has always wanted to leave.

Between a hard Brexit and a ‘no deal’, the country is going to go tits up so forgive me if I’d like the opposition to fight for a more sensible option.

CHAPPERS · Aug 15, 2018

The press doing a great job here keeping the shit off the Tories as they **** the country up a goodun.

Has everyone forgotten what BoJo said last week and is now refusing to talk about? 'Here you go lads, have a cup of tea and **** off'.

Jokers.

jonny.rainbow · Aug 15, 2018

Goldstone1976 said:
Corbyn’s lack of a credible answer to why he attended/participated in a Palestinian commemoration of the Munich terrorism event isn’t helping Labour resolve this issue either.

Except it wasn’t a commemoration of the ‘Munich Terrorism Event’ it was a commemoration of those killed in an Israeli air strike on Hammam Chott in 1985. The UN Council deemed the air strike a violation of its charter and the action was criticised by Thatcher and Reagan.

midnight_rendezvous · Aug 15, 2018

CHAPPERS said:
The press doing a great job here keeping the shit off the Tories as they **** the country up a goodun.

Has everyone forgotten what BoJo said last week and is now refusing to talk about? 'Here you go lads, have a cup of tea and **** off'.

Jokers.

One thing I struggle to understand is how the mainstream media are far more interested in dogpiling Jeremy Corbyn over a wreath that was NOT laid on the graves of the Munich terrorists several years ago, than questioning Britain's continuing arms sales to the vile Saudi regime to commit their war crimes in Yemen with. But I suppose digging up and recycling last year's anti-Corbyn smears is more important :shrug:

oneillco · Aug 15, 2018

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Why would JC fight Brexit?

He has always been anti the EU, and his apathy towards the referendum was clear.

It's ironic that all these 18-30 year olds swooning over JC when they want to remain, and JC has always wanted to leave.

Perhaps he should oppose Brexit for the same reason that May is pushing it through; she doesn't agree with it but her party supports it so she is obliged to,

CHAPPERS · Aug 15, 2018

midnight_rendezvous said:
One thing I struggle to understand is how the mainstream media are far more interested in dogpiling Jeremy Corbyn over a wreath that was NOT laid on the graves of the Munich terrorists several years ago, than questioning Britain's continuing arms sales to the vile Saudi regime to commit their war crimes in Yemen with. But I suppose digging up and recycling last year's anti-Corbyn smears is more important

Killing Yemenis is good for the economy you see.

Chicken Run · Aug 15, 2018

CHAPPERS said:
The press doing a great job here keeping the shit off the Tories as they **** the country up a goodun.

Has everyone forgotten what BoJo said last week and is now refusing to talk about? 'Here you go lads, have a cup of tea and **** off'.

Jokers.

If it annoys you that much go on a march then or something rather than waisting virtual oxygen on here[emoji106]

Blue3 · Aug 15, 2018

jonny.rainbow said:
Except it wasn’t a commemoration of the ‘Munich Terrorism Event’ it was a commemoration of those killed in an Israeli air strike on Hammam Chott in 1985. The UN Council deemed the air strike a violation of its charter and the action was criticised by Thatcher and Reagan.

Completely this it's the Establishment spreading falsehoods again and agains

Blue3 · Aug 15, 2018

Uncle C said:
Because there is credible evidence that Corbyn has not complied with the bit they want to leave out.

Really do tell

CHAPPERS · Aug 15, 2018

Chicken Run said:
If it annoys you that much go on a march then or something rather than waisting virtual oxygen on here[emoji106]

I had the same thoughts as I was typing that, funnily enough.

Uncle C · Aug 15, 2018

Blue3 said:
Really do tell

Heard the quote on Newsnight, but you will have to do your own research.

mikeyjh · Aug 15, 2018

Goldstone1976 said:
What I don’t understand is why the Labour Party leadership won’t simply accept the IHRA definition of anti-semitism in full now, despite fighting a rear guard action against being accused of anti-semitism for the last few weeks. To deliberately refuse to endorse the most widely accepted definition (the one accepted by the Police and CPS, for example) smacks either of an ostrich-like arrogance (“we know best what anti-semitism is”), or of the leadership’s unhappiness to include some of the IHRA’s examples. For what reason would they be unhappy, I ask myself.

Corbyn’s lack of a credible answer to why he attended/participated in a Palestinian commemoration of the Munich terrorism event isn’t helping Labour resolve this issue either.

Until very recently, I thought that while there were bound to be some anti-semitic members of the Party, it was unlikely that the leadership was. Now though, I’m starting to believe that Corbyn actually is anti-semitic himself, or, at best, is wilfully refusing to take appropriate steps to persuade me otherwise.

Just accept the IHRA definition, ffs - what’s wrong with it?

I'm not sure why they should? I don't agree with the definition set by IHRA and it is far from universally accepted.

Goldstone1976 · Aug 15, 2018

mikeyjh said:
I'm not sure why they should? I don't agree with the definition set by IHRA and it is far from universally accepted.

Then they should explain why their definition is better than the IHRA’s, surely? All I’ve seen is that they think that it’s “unnecessary” to have all the clauses of the IHRA definition. It’s surely a slippery road to take some clauses off the IHRA verbatim, and leave others out. It’s asking for trouble - which they now have. :shrug:

beorhthelm · Aug 15, 2018

mikeyjh said:
I'm not sure why they should? I don't agree with the definition set by IHRA and it is far from universally accepted.

i understood the root of the issue was that it is universally accepted (by those that count/matter) and Labour are standing out like a sore thumb. as Uncle C notes the contentious issue is apparently this one clause that some senior Labour members/executives have fallen foul of over year, and they'd have to retract or disown many articles.

Kuipers Supporters Club · Aug 15, 2018

mikeyjh said:
I'm not sure why they should? I don't agree with the definition set by IHRA and it is far from universally accepted.

So which one of the following do you disagree with?

Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Lower West Stander · Aug 15, 2018

midnight_rendezvous said:
Well, in the wreath ‘incident’, considering it was all nonsense, yes. Some simple fact checking is enough to put that matter to bed.

You mean when he was picketing for a fair trial for a group including Patrick Magee? There can be no serious claim that Corbyn endorsed or supported IRA violence at the time: no such evidence exists. The more reasonable version of this claim runs thus: that Corbyn was either too romantic or sentimental about the Republican movement, too trusting of its claims to want only peace, and too lax on connections between the political and armed wings of the movement.

It amounts less to a political endorsement of terrorism than a question of his political judgement.

Absolute garbage.

If you really believe Corbyn's support of the IRA was just naivety then your views or beyond mockery

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Aug 15, 2018

midnight_rendezvous said:
Between a hard Brexit and a ‘no deal’, the country is going to go tits up so forgive me if I’d like the opposition to fight for a more sensible option.

Agreed - but it will mean the opposition needing to change their leader.

The Spanish · Aug 15, 2018

Lower West Stander said:
Absolute garbage.

If you really believe Corbyn's support of the IRA was just naivety then your views or beyond mockery

End of the day the fella has spent his life posturing and revelling in his status as a campaigner, protester, and probably when he worked out it could get him laid and dumb people would idolize him there was no going back. The bit about divorcing his wife over a dispute on state education gets me. What a loon. There’s so many alarm bells with this fella it’s frightening. He will never grow up.

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