[Politics] Brexit

dingodan · Mar 3, 2018

The Clamp said:
More good news, Brexit likely to raise council tax in many areas as local economy tanks.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...oss-uk-believe-brexit-will-hurt-local-economy

The way you have structured the "headline" you've given the article implies a few things.

"Likely to" implies that there is an evidence basis for the assertion, actually you should have said "predicted to", the evidence here is a survey of beliefs. The article itself uses the word "predict", not "likely".

When you say "as local economy tanks", you've separated this from the prediction, it sounds like the council tax rise is likely, but the tanking is a given. Actually the tanking was the primary prediction and the council tax rises an extension of that prediction..

Based on what the actually article says, you should have said "local economies predicted to "tank" (your word), possibly leading to council tax rises". The difference is subtle, but important.

Baldseagull · Mar 3, 2018

The Clamp said:
If i'm lucky I might make it into Pastafairyun's "Really Nasty Porn" folder.

I suspect that Folder is clips of Farage being cheeky in the EU Parliament

The Clamp · Mar 3, 2018

dingodan said:
The way you have structured the "headline" you've given the article implies a few things.

"Likely to" implies that there is an evidence basis for the assertion, actually you should have said "predicted to", the evidence here is a survey of beliefs. The article itself uses the word "predict", not "likely".

When you say "as local economy tanks", you've separated this from the prediction, it sounds like the council tax rise is likely, but the tanking is a given. Actually the tanking was the primary prediction and the council tax rises an extension of that prediction..

Based on what the actually article says, you should have said "local economies predicted to "tank" (your word), possibly leading to council tax rises". The difference is subtle, but important.

Whevs. Local economies will tank. council tax will rise. We need a hero.

Baldseagull · Mar 3, 2018

dingodan said:
The way you have structured the "headline" you've given the article implies a few things.

"Likely to" implies that there is an evidence basis for the assertion, actually you should have said "predicted to", the evidence here is a survey of beliefs. The article itself uses the word "predict", not "likely".

When you say "as local economy tanks", you've separated this from the prediction, it sounds like the council tax rise is likely, but the tanking is a given. Actually the tanking was the primary prediction and the council tax rises an extension of that prediction..

Based on what the actually article says, you should have said "local economies predicted to "tank" (your word), possibly leading to council tax rises". The difference is subtle, but important.

Happy to have an arbiter of fair and precise use of language on the thread. Would you mind addressing your description of the EU as having no democratic accountability though?

dingodan · Mar 3, 2018

Baldseagull said:
Happy to have an arbiter of fair and precise use of language on the thread. Would you mind addressing your description of the EU as having no democratic accountability though?

Not again.

BigGully · Mar 3, 2018

The Clamp said:
Whevs. Local economies will tank. council tax will rise. We need a hero.

Wooo whooo over here ...........

Baldseagull · Mar 3, 2018

dingodan said:
Not again.

Not once.

dingodan · Mar 3, 2018

Baldseagull said:
Not once.

Exactly why I won't bother again, if you ignored what I said the first time, you probably will the second or third times too.

Baldseagull · Mar 3, 2018

dingodan said:
Exactly why I won't bother again, if you ignored what I said the first time, you probably will the second or third times too.

I didn't ignore it, I posted the democratic way in which the President, Commission, Council and Parliament are elected in response to your statement that the UK parliament has democratic accountability, and the EU parliament has none, and asked how it was that was less democratic accountability than the two houses of the UK, one of which is completely unelected.

Kinky Gerbil · Mar 5, 2018

https://www.ft.com/content/9461157c-1f97-11e8-9efc-0cd3483b8b80

Good Good

my favorite part

"You can’t just scratch out ‘EU’ and put in ‘UK’"

Yes, yes they can - because we have not got a leg to stand on.

Ernest · Mar 5, 2018

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The Clamp · Mar 7, 2018

When the majority agree on a delusion, it becomes reality.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 7, 2018

Ernest said:
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When will people wake up and realise Britain isn’t in a strong enough position on its own to make good deals? It stands to reason that if people know you’re small and desperate they’ll offer a shit deal.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 7, 2018

Meanwhile

Car manufacturers have stepped up their warnings about the impact of Brexit on one of the UK’s key industries, led by suggestions from Vauxhall’s owner that the future of its Astra plant is in doubt.
Jaguar Land Rover, meanwhile, said it could not plan to make electric cars in Britain until the terms of departure from the European Union were clear, and a series of industry executives called for clarity at the Geneva motor show.
Carlos Tavares, the chief executive of Vauxhall’s owner, PSA Peugeot Citroën, said that the uncertainty about leaving the EU was “a big concern” for the carmaker.
The French company has already announced it will axe about 650 jobs at its Ellesmere Port factory, where the Astra is made. It is one of two Vauxhall plants in the UK.

nicko31 · Mar 7, 2018

Few days of Brexit tuce, May#s speech managed to change the tone but not the substance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43300202

Phil, I know you are only doing your job. But you will be told to go whistle by the EU, why on earth would they agree to that?

nicko31 · Mar 7, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Meanwhile

Car manufacturers have stepped up their warnings about the impact of Brexit on one of the UK’s key industries, led by suggestions from Vauxhall’s owner that the future of its Astra plant is in doubt.
Jaguar Land Rover, meanwhile, said it could not plan to make electric cars in Britain until the terms of departure from the European Union were clear, and a series of industry executives called for clarity at the Geneva motor show.
Carlos Tavares, the chief executive of Vauxhall’s owner, PSA Peugeot Citroën, said that the uncertainty about leaving the EU was “a big concern” for the carmaker.
The French company has already announced it will axe about 650 jobs at its Ellesmere Port factory, where the Astra is made. It is one of two Vauxhall plants in the UK.

Automotive manufacturing is 900,000 job across the sector. The uncertainty is already doing damage to investment

Westdene Seagull · Mar 7, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Meanwhile

Car manufacturers have stepped up their warnings about the impact of Brexit on one of the UK’s key industries, led by suggestions from Vauxhall’s owner that the future of its Astra plant is in doubt.
Jaguar Land Rover, meanwhile, said it could not plan to make electric cars in Britain until the terms of departure from the European Union were clear, and a series of industry executives called for clarity at the Geneva motor show.
Carlos Tavares, the chief executive of Vauxhall’s owner, PSA Peugeot Citroën, said that the uncertainty about leaving the EU was “a big concern” for the carmaker.
The French company has already announced it will axe about 650 jobs at its Ellesmere Port factory, where the Astra is made. It is one of two Vauxhall plants in the UK.

Meanwhile Toyota have committed to build the next generation of Auris here post Brexit.

Strange you haven't posted about it !

Westdene Seagull · Mar 7, 2018

nicko31 said:
Automotive manufacturing is 900,000 job across the sector. The uncertainty is already doing damage to investment

*** cough *** upwards of £240m investment from Toyota coming here.

Deleted member 22389 · Mar 7, 2018

No faith, just negative, negative, negative.

Deleted member 22389 · Mar 7, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Meanwhile

Car manufacturers have stepped up their warnings about the impact of Brexit on one of the UK’s key industries, led by suggestions from Vauxhall’s owner that the future of its Astra plant is in doubt.
Jaguar Land Rover, meanwhile, said it could not plan to make electric cars in Britain until the terms of departure from the European Union were clear, and a series of industry executives called for clarity at the Geneva motor show.
Carlos Tavares, the chief executive of Vauxhall’s owner, PSA Peugeot Citroën, said that the uncertainty about leaving the EU was “a big concern” for the carmaker.
The French company has already announced it will axe about 650 jobs at its Ellesmere Port factory, where the Astra is made. It is one of two Vauxhall plants in the UK.

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