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midnight_rendezvous

midnight_rendezvous

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Aug 10, 2012
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BensGrandad said:
I must be very fortunate living in Haywards Heath as i havent personally experienced any of the point raised by MR. I am very pleased and impressed with the school that my grandchildren attend, Warden Park Primary Academy and both wife and I are well satisfied with the service we have received, when needed, by Princess Royal Hospital.
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But that’s my point BG. Those of us lucky enough to not experience poverty or the brunt of cuts should not ignore the fact that it is happening. I didn’t experience any of what I posted until I moved to the Midlands and became a teacher. Now I see first hand real term cuts to education and I’ve seen the rise in child poverty and the use of food banks first hand and it’s sickening. To quote Irvine Welsh; When you’re not doing alright, vote for a better life for yourself. If you’re doing quite nicely, vote for a better life for others.
 




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portslade seagull

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midnight_rendezvous said:
Or instead of giving massive tax cuts to the wealthiest in society we could tax them appropriately? We are ‘all in this together’ after all... aren’t we?
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Your the one insulting everyone who you think earns too much. I was asking you how much your prepared to pay over what you do now
Taxing the rich ( is that anyone over 100k ?) is nowhere near the shortfall required for the Labour pipe dreams. Where does the rest come from ? I don't mind a 2p rise in tax as long as it is directed towards the Police, NHS and housing but under JC it would get wasted on other project's.
 


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BensGrandad

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midnight_rendezvous said:
But that’s my point BG. Those of us lucky enough to not experience poverty or the brunt of cuts should not ignore the fact that it is happening. I didn’t experience any of what I posted until I moved to the Midlands and became a teacher. Now I see first hand real term cuts to education and I’ve seen the rise in child poverty and the use of food banks first hand and it’s sickening. To quote Irvine Welsh; When you’re not doing alright, vote for a better life for yourself. If you’re doing quite nicely, vote for a better life for others.
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Do we accept that it is actually happening or just Labour propogander, especially when we dont see it.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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BensGrandad said:
I must be very fortunate living in Haywards Heath as i havent personally experienced any of the point raised by MR. I am very pleased and impressed with the school that my grandchildren attend, Warden Park Primary Academy and both wife and I are well satisfied with the service we have received, when needed, by Princess Royal Hospital.
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Very fortunate. Huddersfield, where I used to live, is the largest town in England, and is losing their hospital. They will all have to travel to Halifax in future.
 


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BensGrandad

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Is this not due mainly to the wages paid to management as I read once that the CEO of the local health trust earned more than the PM, which must be wrong surely.
 




midnight_rendezvous

midnight_rendezvous

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portslade seagull said:
Your the one insulting everyone who you think earns too much. I was asking you how much your prepared to pay over what you do now
Taxing the rich ( is that anyone over 100k ?) is nowhere near the shortfall required for the Labour pipe dreams. Where does the rest come from ? I don't mind a 2p rise in tax as long as it is directed towards the Police, NHS and housing but under JC it would get wasted on other project's.
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When did I insult anyone who earns too much? ??? It might not cover the shortfall but the Conservative-led changes to corporation tax, inheritance tax, capital gains tax and the bank levy will lose the government an estimated £70 billion between April 2016 and April 2022. Not to mention George Osborne's reduction in the top rate of tax from 50p to 45p has left an £8.6bn black hole.

And, whilst the government is handing tax cuts to the rich, the health service, the police service, the fire service, the education service are all in crisis, wages are the most stagnananted they’ve been since records began and there’s been a huge rise in the dependency of food banks. I want to know how Tory voters can justify these and the list I posted earlier in the thread.
 
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timbha

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BensGrandad said:
Is this not due mainly to the wages paid to management as I read once that the CEO of the local health trust earned more than the PM, which must be wrong surely.
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Lots of people earn more the PM. PM’s salary has always been an anomaly and lazy journalists use it as a weapon to try and show up the higher earners
 






Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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HH Brighton

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Jul 25, 2003
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Bozza said:
You think that was me letting my guard down? Something just slipped out without me realising it?

Sorry - in future I'll put loads of smilies so everyone can get the joke.

I am right of centre - I've never pretended otherwise - but only just. I've voted Labour in the past and I've not voted Conservative for many elections. Hope this helps.
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We’ve all seen your posts mate, they’re not all tongue in cheek and you live that ‘I’ve voted for all parties’ line. It just shows you are particularly confused with no real conviction. Just throw the odd ignorant political post in there every now and again.
 


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erkan

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HH Brighton said:
We’ve all seen your posts mate, they’re not all tongue in cheek and you love that ‘I’ve voted for all parties’ line. It just shows you are particularly confused with no real conviction. Just throw the odd ignorant political post in there every now and again.
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You are of course completely right - but my advice would be to avoid feeding the troll...
 






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Bold Seagull

Bold Seagull

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Chicken Run said:
I wouldn’t describe Bozza as a troll!

Up until this thread I haven’t even heard of Erkan or HH Brighton?
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Come off it Chicken, you and [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] live under a stone bridge crossing the Adur scaring the goats.
 






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BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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midnight_rendezvous said:
Perhaps, but can Tory voters really claim ignorance to a long list of policies that attack the most vulnerable in society? Either they aren’t paying close enough attention or they simply don’t care enough to change their voting intentions presumably because it doesn’t effect them.

For example...

Half of maternity units closed at some point last year
Teaching crisis
Nursing crisis
Policing crisis
Armed forces crisis
Wages in decline
Windrush
Private prison crisis
Private train companies defrauding the state
Private nhs providers defrauding the state
Private academies closing shop
Waiting lists for nhs services at record levels
A/E waiting times at record highs
People dying in hospital corridors
Social care crisis
Food bank useage at record high
A huge rise in child poverty
House building at lowest levels since 1920’s

It gets to a point where your either wilfully ignorant, too stubborn to change your voting intentions or just plain spiteful.
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That is a long list of things that you have put down there MR(not that I agree with all your points!) and it makes out that this country is an absolute basket case, which I do not accept.

There will always be a demand for more money from all areas of society and there will never be enough dosh to keep everyone satisfied unless taxes were to rise beyond a level that would be unacceptable to most individuals in a country such as ours. Socialist utopias do not exist.

Of course there are problems in the country, but it is far too simplistic to always say, 'let's throw some more money at the problem'. Just one example, ,the NHS and social care provision require forward planning and a massive overhaul. This includes the future funding of the NHS which should be discussed in a non partisan manner by the best brains in the country and a framework set out as to how the country will look after its sick and elderly in the future. Regrettably, this is a nettle that no-one of any political shade has had the balls to grasp. Just the mention of funding for the NHS leads to hysterical shouts of sacrilege.

Those who vote Tory, just have a different opinion to you; that doesn't make them wilfully ignorant, too stubborn or plain spiteful. That appears to me to be an intemperate statement from a teacher!

Finally , has it occurred to you that whilst Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc. and Momentum are bossing the Labour party and closing down dissenting voices from moderate Labour MP's, us moderate Tory voters are far less likely to vote Labour...........that is nothing to do with ignorance, stubborness or spite, it is common sense. Add in Len McCluskey, Seamus Milne, Andrew Murray and Owen Jones; wow, what a shower!
 


Bozza

Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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HH Brighton said:
We’ve all seen your posts mate, they’re not all tongue in cheek and you live that ‘I’ve voted for all parties’ line. It just shows you are particularly confused with no real conviction. Just throw the odd ignorant political post in there every now and again.
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Confused with no real conviction, or someone who is not blinkered and prepared to make an informed decision each time I have the opportunity to vote?

If you can't understand why I weigh up my voting options based on the what each party is proposing, how they are proposing to implement it and, yes,, the people involved with each party then that's a shame.

Similarly, I can't understand people who place their X in the same box, election after election. I have voted Tory, but I couldn't vote for the Conservative Party as it is today, led by May. I've voted Labour, but I could not do anything that may help Corbyn and McDonnell get into power.

I also don't believe that Tory voters are nasty, poor-hating, selfish racists (add as many tired old cliches as required). Around 2 in every 5 voters went for Tory last time round. As such, Tory voters are all around me, and you for that matter - dropping off their kids at school, in the same queue at the supermarket and cheering an Albion goal at the Amex. They will want the same as you - an education system that prepares our children to lead well-rounded adult lives, a health system that looks after us all and a welfare state that looks after those in need. They just believe there is a different way of achieving that than you possibly do.
 


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