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Strong and Stable - Congratulations to Angela Merkel on a 4th term
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larus
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Interesting read from Der Spiegel. It seems it is quite a long way from Strong & Stable. The general view appears to be that these negotiations will take months. Rudderless maybe a better description - wouldn’t happen in Germany eh!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/angela-merkel-can-germany-make-an-unwieldy-coalition-work-a-1170650.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/angela-merkel-can-germany-make-an-unwieldy-coalition-work-a-1170650.html
There was an audience member on QT Thu who called out 'East German Communist' every time her name was mentioned. If she is I wonder if she has the Stasi files on all her opponents.
larus
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Oh dear [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]. Not looking strong and stable now is it!!!! 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/07/angela-merkel-heads-crucial-talks-bavarian-sister-party-shore/
Makes the conservatives arrangements with the DUP seem like a picnic.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/07/angela-merkel-heads-crucial-talks-bavarian-sister-party-shore/
Makes the conservatives arrangements with the DUP seem like a picnic.
What does the “Christian” in her parties title mean?
Hi Catholics and protestants, you can vote for me (please)..........
larus
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Crunch talks tonight for the “Strong And Stable” German leader.
Can you just imagine what our German loving poster would by saying if this was happening to the UK?
His political insights are as profound as HB&Bs literary skills. I guess he’ll get something right one day, a stopped clock and all that.
Can you just imagine what our German loving poster would by saying if this was happening to the UK?
His political insights are as profound as HB&Bs literary skills. I guess he’ll get something right one day, a stopped clock and all that.
rocker959
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Odious woman .
larus
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https://euobserver.com/elections/139910
Talks to form a coalition government in Germany were in deadlock on Friday morning (17 November), after negotiators separated early morning without a deal in sight.
A new, last chance meeting was due at midday on Friday.
But wide differences remained on migration, climate and energy and finance policies between the four parties involved in the so-called Jamaica coalition, because their colours echo the Caribbean country's flag: the centre-right CDU and its Bavarian branch CSU, the liberal FDP, and the Greens.
"We need some sleep," said Green leader Simone Peter after the overnight 15-hour discussion.
"Good morning, today it continues," chancellor Angela Merkel simply said.
On Thursday, Merkel had warned that forming a coalition between parties that have never worked together at the federal level was "a very complicated task".
She will not attend the EU social summit in Gothenburg on Friday, in order to salvage the negotiations and avoid a failure that could lead to risky new elections.
The talks started on 20 October, following the 24 September elections. The Social Democrats, Merkel's previous coalition partners, decided not to participate to a new government after a resounding defeat. Merkel had set 16 November as a deadline for exploratory talks.
"I don't know if we can resolve all the discrepancies, all the disagreements," CSU's Joachim Herrmann said on Thursday.
Merkel in particular will have to design a compromise on migration between the CSU, the most conservative part of her Christian-Democrat camp, and the Greens.
The Greens reject a yearly 200,000 cap on asylum seekers, which is one of the CSU's main demands. The CSU also demand that a ban on family reunification for refugees, which was introduced in 2016, is not renewed when it is due to end in February next year.
Juergen Trittin, one of the Green negotiators, gave a hint of the tone of the discussions when he posted on Twitter a song by Jamaican singer Jimmy Cliff saying "the harder they come, the harder they fall."
"We cannot accept a solution that will result in an increase in immigration," CSU leader Horst Seehofer said on Friday morning.
He assured that his party would do "whatever is humanly possible to see wether a stable government is possible."
Climate and energy remained another blocking point, with the Greens asking for the closure of the most polluting coal power stations.
Merkel has proposed to reduce the capacity of coal stations, by 7 gigawatts (GW) by 2020, instead of 5 GW as proposed earlier by the CDU/CSU and FDP, but the Greens insist on a 10 GW reduction.
The FDP and the Greens are also at opposing ends over the so-called solidarity tax, a 5.5 percent tax on incomes, capitals and companies. The end of the tax is a core FDP demand, which the Greens reject.
More generally, the four parties' various demands would cost over €100 billion, while only €45 billion are on the table, making the overall discussions more difficult.
"I'm extremely frustrated," FDP vice-president Wolfgang Kubicki said at the end for the talks.
"It is better to clarify things before the end of the negotiations than after. So one spares oneself much anger and much conflict," noted Peter Altmaier, the acting finance minister and Merkel's closest ally.
Strong And Stable eh!
Talks to form a coalition government in Germany were in deadlock on Friday morning (17 November), after negotiators separated early morning without a deal in sight.
A new, last chance meeting was due at midday on Friday.
But wide differences remained on migration, climate and energy and finance policies between the four parties involved in the so-called Jamaica coalition, because their colours echo the Caribbean country's flag: the centre-right CDU and its Bavarian branch CSU, the liberal FDP, and the Greens.
"We need some sleep," said Green leader Simone Peter after the overnight 15-hour discussion.
"Good morning, today it continues," chancellor Angela Merkel simply said.
On Thursday, Merkel had warned that forming a coalition between parties that have never worked together at the federal level was "a very complicated task".
She will not attend the EU social summit in Gothenburg on Friday, in order to salvage the negotiations and avoid a failure that could lead to risky new elections.
The talks started on 20 October, following the 24 September elections. The Social Democrats, Merkel's previous coalition partners, decided not to participate to a new government after a resounding defeat. Merkel had set 16 November as a deadline for exploratory talks.
"I don't know if we can resolve all the discrepancies, all the disagreements," CSU's Joachim Herrmann said on Thursday.
Merkel in particular will have to design a compromise on migration between the CSU, the most conservative part of her Christian-Democrat camp, and the Greens.
The Greens reject a yearly 200,000 cap on asylum seekers, which is one of the CSU's main demands. The CSU also demand that a ban on family reunification for refugees, which was introduced in 2016, is not renewed when it is due to end in February next year.
Juergen Trittin, one of the Green negotiators, gave a hint of the tone of the discussions when he posted on Twitter a song by Jamaican singer Jimmy Cliff saying "the harder they come, the harder they fall."
"We cannot accept a solution that will result in an increase in immigration," CSU leader Horst Seehofer said on Friday morning.
He assured that his party would do "whatever is humanly possible to see wether a stable government is possible."
Climate and energy remained another blocking point, with the Greens asking for the closure of the most polluting coal power stations.
Merkel has proposed to reduce the capacity of coal stations, by 7 gigawatts (GW) by 2020, instead of 5 GW as proposed earlier by the CDU/CSU and FDP, but the Greens insist on a 10 GW reduction.
The FDP and the Greens are also at opposing ends over the so-called solidarity tax, a 5.5 percent tax on incomes, capitals and companies. The end of the tax is a core FDP demand, which the Greens reject.
More generally, the four parties' various demands would cost over €100 billion, while only €45 billion are on the table, making the overall discussions more difficult.
"I'm extremely frustrated," FDP vice-president Wolfgang Kubicki said at the end for the talks.
"It is better to clarify things before the end of the negotiations than after. So one spares oneself much anger and much conflict," noted Peter Altmaier, the acting finance minister and Merkel's closest ally.
Strong And Stable eh!
https://euobserver.com/elections/139910
Talks to form a coalition government in Germany were in deadlock on Friday morning (17 November), after negotiators separated early morning without a deal in sight.
A new, last chance meeting was due at midday on Friday.
But wide differences remained on migration, climate and energy and finance policies between the four parties involved in the so-called Jamaica coalition, because their colours echo the Caribbean country's flag: the centre-right CDU and its Bavarian branch CSU, the liberal FDP, and the Greens.
"We need some sleep," said Green leader Simone Peter after the overnight 15-hour discussion.
"Good morning, today it continues," chancellor Angela Merkel simply said.
On Thursday, Merkel had warned that forming a coalition between parties that have never worked together at the federal level was "a very complicated task".
She will not attend the EU social summit in Gothenburg on Friday, in order to salvage the negotiations and avoid a failure that could lead to risky new elections.
The talks started on 20 October, following the 24 September elections. The Social Democrats, Merkel's previous coalition partners, decided not to participate to a new government after a resounding defeat. Merkel had set 16 November as a deadline for exploratory talks.
"I don't know if we can resolve all the discrepancies, all the disagreements," CSU's Joachim Herrmann said on Thursday.
Merkel in particular will have to design a compromise on migration between the CSU, the most conservative part of her Christian-Democrat camp, and the Greens.
The Greens reject a yearly 200,000 cap on asylum seekers, which is one of the CSU's main demands. The CSU also demand that a ban on family reunification for refugees, which was introduced in 2016, is not renewed when it is due to end in February next year.
Juergen Trittin, one of the Green negotiators, gave a hint of the tone of the discussions when he posted on Twitter a song by Jamaican singer Jimmy Cliff saying "the harder they come, the harder they fall."
"We cannot accept a solution that will result in an increase in immigration," CSU leader Horst Seehofer said on Friday morning.
He assured that his party would do "whatever is humanly possible to see wether a stable government is possible."
Climate and energy remained another blocking point, with the Greens asking for the closure of the most polluting coal power stations.
Merkel has proposed to reduce the capacity of coal stations, by 7 gigawatts (GW) by 2020, instead of 5 GW as proposed earlier by the CDU/CSU and FDP, but the Greens insist on a 10 GW reduction.
The FDP and the Greens are also at opposing ends over the so-called solidarity tax, a 5.5 percent tax on incomes, capitals and companies. The end of the tax is a core FDP demand, which the Greens reject.
More generally, the four parties' various demands would cost over €100 billion, while only €45 billion are on the table, making the overall discussions more difficult.
"I'm extremely frustrated," FDP vice-president Wolfgang Kubicki said at the end for the talks.
"It is better to clarify things before the end of the negotiations than after. So one spares oneself much anger and much conflict," noted Peter Altmaier, the acting finance minister and Merkel's closest ally.
Strong And Stable eh!
On QT last night Thornberry was asked for an example where the proposed economic plans put forward by MaccyD were successful. 'Germany and Sweden' was the answer. Looking good then......
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ohw look who gives a flying **** really....?? other than NSC 's top sausage guzzler....ffs....bore off..!!
One of Europe's most powerful figures in in one of Europe's most powerful countries? anyone with half a brain would give a shit. She will be influencing Europe and hence the UK for the next four years at least.
Oh dear it doesn’t appear quite as strong or stable for our Ange at the moment does it, calling HT to tell us that it’s all ok
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studio150
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Clearly not following the Mrs May model of bribing other parties to keep her in power
Live by the sea
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- Oct 21, 2016
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Let’s hope Corbyn never gets into power. Marxists have a nasty habit of bankrupting countries.
larus
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Not so certain she will. The talks have failed so it's likely there'll be new elections. There are rumblings of discontent from within her own party and the "establishment" there are woried about the rise of the AfD. She's not as powerful as you may think.
Calling [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]. Where are you?
beorhthelm
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my simple understanding of German politics is that Merkel is leader because people cant abide the alternatives. not so say there aren't capable other just none that can amass sufficient support. and CDU will still be the largest party after any election, so unless they recover a lot of seats, and not at the expense of FDP, they'll in the same position.
That doesn't sound either STRONG or STABLE. In fact, it soulds rather like a COALITION OF CHAOS.
Where is Herr Tubby when we need him to enlighten us?
Two Professors
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Probably ordering the FDP to get back into talks with the fuhrerin sofort.Or his head is stuck so far up her back-crack he can't get wi-fi.
Pretty pink fairy
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anyone inviting a load of strangers into the country eventually gets what they ask for I would imagine
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