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Radovan Karadzic



brightn'ove

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Apr 12, 2011
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Because you do not pay attention to what was actually said, that makes fatuous 'whoosh' look very silly. Besides, if you think comparing Karadzic and AJ is a joke ............................ well, words fail me. This 'conversation' is at an end.

You're missing the point entirely. He was satirising the reactions of people to the AJ sentence, not comparing the two.

Never go to a comedy show, there won't be anybody there to explain the jokes.
 




JackB247

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Sep 25, 2013
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Burgess Hill
Am currently writing an essay on the transformation of Serbia from a pariah state to a potential EU member state and I must say it has been very interesting looking into characters like Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic. Absolutely mental all three, a horrible example of an abuse of power. 40 years is well deserved for Karadzic.
 


sahel

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Jan 24, 2014
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Am currently writing an essay on the transformation of Serbia from a pariah state to a potential EU member state and I must say it has been very interesting looking into characters like Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic. Absolutely mental all three, a horrible example of an abuse of power. 40 years is well deserved for Karadzic.

They were the inevitable product of the kind of nationalism that spawned the Nazis and now inspires ISIS. Only "we" matter and everyone else is out to get "us". It is exactly the kind of thing the EU was created to destroy. Instead of values such as "blood" the EU is based on human rights which value every human equally . Maybe in your essay you will make that point. As I understand it Serbia still has a long way to go but I wonder what it would have been like (and Romania Bulgaria Croatia and the rest) without the EU to aspire to . What would Europe be like now?
 


JackB247

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Sep 25, 2013
1,370
Burgess Hill
They were the inevitable product of the kind of nationalism that spawned the Nazis and now inspires ISIS. Only "we" matter and everyone else is out to get "us". It is exactly the kind of thing the EU was created to destroy. Instead of values such as "blood" the EU is based on human rights which value every human equally . Maybe in your essay you will make that point. As I understand it Serbia still has a long way to go but I wonder what it would have been like (and Romania Bulgaria Croatia and the rest) without the EU to aspire to . What would Europe be like now?

Thank you for your suggestion, I will be working it into a paragraph about the changing ideology of Serbia and the wider Balkan region after the shame really of the damage that the nationalistic approaches of the 90's did to the region and how they are also changing to adapt to the demands of the EU for accession. You are correct that Serbia is a long way off as it has only closed 2 of the 35 accession chapters. Finally your last point is an intriguing thought and is something I'm glad is not a reality.
 


GreersElbow

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Jan 5, 2012
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A Northern Outpost
I did my dissertation on the subject of mass atrocities, truly horrific times. Have you ever read the transcripts of some of the radio transmissions during the genocide? They made my blood run cold, horrifying.
i've heard some transmissions during the siege of Sarajevo, when the Bosnian Serbs were ordering artillery to strike Muslim-populated areas, i haven't read all of them, but read some during the Visegrad massacres. It's insane to think these people once lived side by side for almost 60 years. but I suppose Tito only plastered over the fissures...

There's Mladic to come though. Can't see him sending much time in his own home
I'll be watching with interest, as I'm fascinated by the Bosnian War.

Well how about Iraq and Syria and creating a vacuum for Isis to flourish ?

That doesn't answer my question, what war crimes are you talking about? Syria wasn't because of the Iraq invasion, that's a result of the Arab Spring. Which started in North Africa..... I think you're using the term war crime far too broadly and literally. War itself isn't, in terms of international law, a crime. War is allowed, it has restrictions which are written in the Geneva Convention and subsequent treaties/conventions since then.


Apologies for bumping this thread, only logged back on; have a dissertation to finish and it's due next week!
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
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Pattknull med Haksprut
Apologies for bumping this thread, only logged back on; have a dissertation to finish and it's due next week!

Good luck with it. Always hard work but rewarding from a personal perspective.

I'm back to square one with my PhD after my supervisor decided on moral grounds that he couldn't, as a member of the General Synod, read it.
 








Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Waxing chumps like candles since ‘75
Oct 4, 2003
11,031
I thought he was pretty good for us when we won League 1 under Poyet :jester:
 


GreersElbow

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Jan 5, 2012
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Good luck with it. Always hard work but rewarding from a personal perspective.

I'm back to square one with my PhD after my supervisor decided on moral grounds that he couldn't, as a member of the General Synod, read it.
I'm going to need it, I decided to write mine about economic governance reform in the EMU by arguing for fiscal federalism. Not at all fun.

Good luck on your PhD, what's your topic?
Interesting piece !

http://www.iacenter.org/folder04/myths.htm

Perhaps the US should stop causing all these situations in the first place . They will never learn !

That's a load of crap, not a single source to back anything up. NATO intervened because the UN was and still is a useless organisation for people to pat themselves on the back. R2P still has not been invoked on Syria, because of geo-politics. No thanks to Russia.

"Myth #4. The U.S./NATO goal is to protect the rights of the predominantly Muslim Albanians in Kosovo.

Reality: U.S. officials pretend to care about the rights of Muslim people in Yugoslavia, while their policy of sanctions and war kills 300 mostly Muslim Iraqis every day—half children under 5 years old.
"
This is the best one, it's a strawman argument. The Kosovo intervention was years before the Iraqi invasion. More so - The Pentagon is not a humanitarian relief agency and the corporate-owned politicians don’t really care about any people" Another load of tinfoil hat wearing drivel.

You won't see a single piece of criticism for Tsar Putin, though. Who illegal invaded Eastern Ukraine and annexed Crimea and has left both regions to rot because it benefits their foreign policy goals for monopolisation of gas supply.

The break up of Yugoslavia had very little to do with the U.S. It was to do with the fact that Yugoslavia was not this utopia of multiculturalism. Tito was only plastering over the ethnic tension that still existed but held together (Are we going to blame the U.S. for the massacres of the 40s between the Croats and the Serbs?). Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats did not want a Yugoslavia or Greater Serbia. When they democratically voted to leave Yugoslavia, Milosevic transferred all JNA Bosnian Serbs into the newly formed Army of the Republika Srpska in order to avoid any culpability for the Serbian objectives of ethnic cleansing.

I suppose that's the U.S's fault.
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
39,701
Pattknull med Haksprut
I'm going to need it, I decided to write mine about economic governance reform in the EMU by arguing for fiscal federalism. Not at all fun.

Good luck on your PhD, what's your topic?

Yours is serious stuff. Mine is early adoption of emerging technologies in the adult entertainment industry. I appreciate there are loads of gags along the lines of me just wanting to be a doctor of porn, but as a case study, the industry is fascinating. They were straight in when VCR came in, premium phone lines, the internet and so on. Couple that with changes to what is and what is not illegal both here in the UK and overseas, and it's a classic case of how the market reacts to changing forces. The print media is to a large extent dead, but still has a niche. The Tube approach has proved very lucrative, but some in the mainstream have taken a very aggressive approach to breach of copyright issues.

The big area of potential development is in relation to virtual reality. With Oculus Rift, HTC Vive, Samsung and Sony all launching products this year, the heads of some of the more well resourced grumble studios are desperately trying to work out how to make money from the new hardware.
 




Acker79

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Nov 15, 2008
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Yours is serious stuff. Mine is early adoption of emerging technologies in the adult entertainment industry. I appreciate there are loads of gags along the lines of me just wanting to be a doctor of porn, but as a case study, the industry is fascinating. They were straight in when VCR came in, premium phone lines, the internet and so on. Couple that with changes to what is and what is not illegal both here in the UK and overseas, and it's a classic case of how the market reacts to changing forces. The print media is to a large extent dead, but still has a niche. The Tube approach has proved very lucrative, but some in the mainstream have taken a very aggressive approach to breach of copyright issues.

The big area of potential development is in relation to virtual reality. With Oculus Rift, HTC Vive, Samsung and Sony all launching products this year, the heads of some of the more well resourced grumble studios are desperately trying to work out how to make money from the new hardware.

I remember hearing that the reason blu ray took off instead of HD dvd is that the porn industry went blu ray.
 




GreersElbow

New member
Jan 5, 2012
4,870
A Northern Outpost
Yours is serious stuff. Mine is early adoption of emerging technologies in the adult entertainment industry. I appreciate there are loads of gags along the lines of me just wanting to be a doctor of porn, but as a case study, the industry is fascinating. They were straight in when VCR came in, premium phone lines, the internet and so on. Couple that with changes to what is and what is not illegal both here in the UK and overseas, and it's a classic case of how the market reacts to changing forces. The print media is to a large extent dead, but still has a niche. The Tube approach has proved very lucrative, but some in the mainstream have taken a very aggressive approach to breach of copyright issues.

The big area of potential development is in relation to virtual reality. With Oculus Rift, HTC Vive, Samsung and Sony all launching products this year, the heads of some of the more well resourced grumble studios are desperately trying to work out how to make money from the new hardware.

My word, you're going to be Dr Pneumatic Dildo aren't you?
 




Czechmate

Well-known member
Oct 5, 2011
1,212
Brno Czech Republic
I'm going to need it, I decided to write mine about economic governance reform in the EMU by arguing for fiscal federalism. Not at all fun.

Good luck on your PhD, what's your topic?


That's a load of crap, not a single source to back anything up. NATO intervened because the UN was and still is a useless organisation for people to pat themselves on the back. R2P still has not been invoked on Syria, because of geo-politics. No thanks to Russia.

"Myth #4. The U.S./NATO goal is to protect the rights of the predominantly Muslim Albanians in Kosovo.

Reality: U.S. officials pretend to care about the rights of Muslim people in Yugoslavia, while their policy of sanctions and war kills 300 mostly Muslim Iraqis every day—half children under 5 years old.
"
This is the best one, it's a strawman argument. The Kosovo intervention was years before the Iraqi invasion. More so - The Pentagon is not a humanitarian relief agency and the corporate-owned politicians don’t really care about any people" Another load of tinfoil hat wearing drivel.

You won't see a single piece of criticism for Tsar Putin, though. Who illegal invaded Eastern Ukraine and annexed Crimea and has left both regions to rot because it benefits their foreign policy goals for monopolisation of gas supply.

The break up of Yugoslavia had very little to do with the U.S. It was to do with the fact that Yugoslavia was not this utopia of multiculturalism. Tito was only plastering over the ethnic tension that still existed but held together (Are we going to blame the U.S. for the massacres of the 40s between the Croats and the Serbs?). Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats did not want a Yugoslavia or Greater Serbia. When they democratically voted to leave Yugoslavia, Milosevic transferred all JNA Bosnian Serbs into the newly formed Army of the Republika Srpska in order to avoid any culpability for the Serbian objectives of ethnic cleansing.

I suppose that's the U.S's fault.

What a load of crap !!! Depends what Google story you read I guess and which side you believe , it's called propaganda ! I Just take stories from all sides and make my own decision and personally , like many others trust Putin more than the US . Least you know what you get from him , not underhand tactics like 'National Security' , democracy and so on when really they want to expand the American dream in every country possible , which really means capitalism ! I rather have countries with their own culture , their own way's , not to visit different countries and see MacDonalds , Starbucks and Apple shops around every corner !
 




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