Leekbrookgull
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Diane Abbott. Wonderful Vote Winner for The Blues.
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Diane Abbott. Wonderful Vote Winner for The Blues.
portslade seagull
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Think they are to divided at the moment. It will take years for them to recover.
JC Footy Genius
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If you gave Tory central office planners the chance to dream up a perfect scenario I don't think they could have improved on what has happened to Labour since Corbyn first became Leader ..
Southern Scouse
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- Jul 21, 2011
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I actually thought he was a decent bloke who could have given some integrity back to the LP.
For the first time in my life I don't know who to vote for. I'm far from a die hard socialist, I give my vote the the party I think can improve the country at that time.
At the moment I look around and just see poo.
For the first time in my life I don't know who to vote for. I'm far from a die hard socialist, I give my vote the the party I think can improve the country at that time.
At the moment I look around and just see poo.
Don Quixote
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- Nov 4, 2008
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Southern Scouse
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- Jul 21, 2011
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Better than charging you for public health care.
Lawro's Lip
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Bit of a 'must win' for Corbyn. Should Labour fail to win this seat it would be hard for him to justify sticking around.
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Exactly. And they are bound to select a candidate who says he/she is relaxed about Brexit (which is labour policy as far as I can see). Labour will increase their majority.
It will be interesting to see if UKIP 'shoe in' an 'outsider' like, er, their current (this week) leader as a candidate, or whether they will go for a local man/woman.
Anyway, its a bye-election, so whatever the outcome, the victors will claim a sea change, and the rest will dismiss it as a 'blip'.
And this, folks, is the politics we deserve. After all, its what we vote for.
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Have you ever wondered where your taxes go -I think you might find that you ARE charged.
drew
Drew
Didn't he suggest that the nationals could charge and it was small local museums that should be supported by government and have the free entry?
Just reading some of the comments on this thread its pretty clear why the Labour party, or what's left of it after all the so-called (insert highly derogative adjective of choice) Blairites have finally left or been hounded out, will be an embittered, highly class conscious, chip on the shoulder, out of date, narrow focused and completely unelectable left wing rump. How very sad.
Knotty
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With TWO MPs
(Assuming one is elected in Stoke.)A Conservative Government will always be under a great deal more pressure from its own backbench MPs than ever it will from UKIP!
drew
Drew
As a left leaning voter (probably just left of centre), I have to agree. Like it or not, the so called Blairites made the party electable and the brutal fact is that you can only impose change when in government and not when bleating from the opposition benches.
Southern Scouse
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- Jul 21, 2011
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I work for the NHS but I'm not In the NHS. Have you seen "Hospital" on BBC 2? That's not an exaggerated reality crap program, that shit happens every day. However much we are putting in it is obviously not enough.
How about forbidding everyone who earns over 150k a year to use the NHS, thus making them use BUPA on a full time basis ensuring the cost goes down, while at the same time continuing to put the same resources and more back into the service.
Of course it's all the GP's fault for not opening enough! Anyone who genuinely believes we give enough to the NHS and is satisfied with being the poor mans relation in health care compared to many so called lesser countries should spend a few days in A&E or tell the ambulance crew to bugger off when they arrive to save your life as they are just wasting resources!
For the love of God or whoever you believe in stop spouting this "We already give enough" bollox.
We pay a fortune here. It's patently obvious the NHS needs much much more money. And I don't buy the argument it's all wasted in managers. There might be some waste like in a lot of businesses but the idea this waste will cover the short fall is bollocks.
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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In your indecent rush to have a rant, you have totally missed my point. You stated that we are not charged, and I reminded you that we DO pay through taxation. At no point did I say that we pay enough – I am sure that we don’t. We in Britain want it on the cheap; we all try and avoid paying our taxes, as (be honest) I am sure you will have done, yet expect the ambulance to be there in 8 minutes.
Would your suggestion about folk earning over £150,000 also mean that they do not pay for the NHS and have their taxation reduced accordingly? Or should they pay double?
There are many pressures on the NHS, which seems unable to cope; would throwing more money at it be a solution? Do you seriously think that if a fortune were put in tomorrow, that would end the seemingly annual clamours for more cash? I don’t know about you, but having lived in Germany for 24 years, and thus in a good position to compare the two systems, it is time that we take the politics out of the debate about the NHS and look to adopt a better system that still does not discriminate against anyone, and does not involve profit. The so-called lesser countries, as you describe them, have not opted for our system –this should tell us something. Yes, it will involve us all paying proportionately more, but would be worth it.
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Hello HT,
I, like you, am an admirer of the German system, and you are right in that it will cost more, but be so much more worth it to avoid the endless controversies. As a matter of interest, how does the system work for those who cannot pay for the Krankenkasse because they are unemployed, say.There will always be those who won't -what happens with them ?
If you're unemployed I believe it comes out of your welfare benefits.
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Thanks.
And whilst you're employed you and your employer share a 3% unemployment insurance and for the first two years you will get 60% of your salary. After this you will go onto the regular benefit which is less. The rules are quite tough and cause some controversy as you have to prove you're trying to find work and not turn down "menial" jobs.
Like you, I think the system here is good and the service is excellent. But you cannot escape the fact you will be paying a lot more for it. I think the current NHS has had its day but this does not mean it needs to be privatised. There are other public models out there which could be picked off a shelf. You could even think one up for yourselves. Or just take it out of the hands of politicians and properly organise and fund it.