[NSC] Fat Tax

Beach Hut said:

Clearly the 4 part BBC 1 series at 21:00 hrs on Wednesdats about the UK and obesity is a clear myth

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Thunder Bolt said:

It's an entertainment programme. How many consultant dieticians take part in it? It uses generalisations which don't apply to everyone.
Someone who is a nurse, and goes to the Albion tried taking the mickey in the pub, but couldn't believe my O/H resting heart rate. He doesn't have any blood pressure or diabetes problems either.

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Beach Hut said:

If it is entertainment why are people in Newcastle getting involved in weight loss ?

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Beach Hut said:

If it is entertainment why are people in Newcastle getting involved in weight loss ?

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Beach Hut said:

Poppycock, seen loads of large people in Primark clothes

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Mellotron said:

What does this mean? The fat just found people and grabbed on? Apparently there are glandular issues for something like 0.4% of obese people.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Being large is not necessarily down to fat. Sorry to spoil everyone's sense of smugness.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Bulldogs and greyhounds. Naturally big people like Serena or Venus Williams, professional sports players or tiny people like Kylie Minogue, naturally slim.

Nobody has answered my question. Should girls who are 6 feet tall pay more for their clothes than those in the Petite range?

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Thunder Bolt said:

Bulldogs and greyhounds. Naturally big people like Serena or Venus Williams, professional sports players or tiny people like Kylie Minogue, naturally slim.

Nobody has answered my question. Should girls who are 6 feet tall pay more for their clothes than those in the Petite range?

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Mellotron said:

Being fat is down to being fat. What do you mean by large? Someone mentioned a rugby player- again, that would've likely been a choice to become bigger, bench pressing, weights etc, so not "naturally" large.

No smugness at all, I'm fairly large myself.

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Thunder Bolt said:

It's an entertainment programme. How many consultant dieticians take part in it? It uses generalisations which don't apply to everyone.
Someone who is a nurse, and goes to the Albion tried taking the mickey in the pub, but couldn't believe my O/H resting heart rate. He doesn't have any blood pressure or diabetes problems either.

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Mellotron said:

Being fat is down to being fat. What do you mean by large? Someone mentioned a rugby player- again, that would've likely been a choice to become bigger, bench pressing, weights etc, so not "naturally" large.

No smugness at all, I'm fairly large myself.

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Mellotron said:

Kylie Minogue no doubt has a strict fitness regimen. Jennifer Aniston does 3 hours in the gym every morning, supposedly.

Venus and Serena Williams have been top athletes for many many years. Their bodies will have been entirely sculpted by again no doubt a strict fitness and diet regimen.

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jcdenton08 said:

Obesity through overeating is NOT the same as someone looking at another person and judging them as 'fat', because they appear to be overweight to your personal opinion.

This isn't a personal cause, but if it were I'd be even more vociferous. I am absolutely disgusted by the comments of some people on here tonight.

In fact, so much so that I could easily with little effort make a much stronger argument for your prejudices than you could. You don't even know why you feel hate towards the demographic you perceive as inferior to you. But I'm not being paid to do that - I charge by the hour - and frankly, I wouldn't have the heart to write stuff I don't believe in anyway.

I truly, earnestly pity anybody who looks at someone and makes a snap judgement as to their character, habits or wellbeing based on nothing but physical appearance or social standing. How desperately conceited and narrow-minded you must be. Judging someone as being lazy, or eating too much, or not conforming to your ideals in physical appearance is as ill-judged as it is reciprocated.

My girlfriend is from Canada - I suppose she'd 'talk funny' to some people's ears. I have some Mauritian and Iraqi ancestry, that makes me "foreign" no doubt, using the same yardstick. All this from fans of one of the football clubs in the country who suffer the most typical, boring and malicious prejudice in the country.

This has been a truly shameful episode for NSC.

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Hillian1 said:

Fat people just want to have their cake and eat it.

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nwgull said:

They want to eat everyone else's cake as well, while telling you it's all down to genetics.

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Mustafa said:

Interesting thread.

The issue of obesity is an interesting one. On one side of the argument are those that believe it's fine to be fat - that fat shaming is wrong - and that discrimination against fat people should be considered as abhorrent as any other.

On the other side is the belief that obese people are mostly lazy or selfish - they are drains on the NHS - their lifestyle choices are a burden on themselves and on society; they need more self control - fat shaming is okay as becoming obese is morally wrong.

Then of course there are people who are overweight directly or indirectly through a medical problem - I hope we can all agree that these people don't deserve discrimination; in terms of societal or financial. Perhaps they need more support in the form of government subsidies if XXL clothing really is excessively expensive for them.

The problem however are those who are overweight because they live sedentary lifestyles and/or have a far too high calorie intake (and usually have done for a lifetime) - in other words, a majority of the obese. Why should businesses subsidise them? Why should the NHS carry their burden? Becoming and remaining obese in this way is down to laziness, apathy or greed - more needs to be done to stop people living like this, in form of increased taxation or otherwise. Businesses and the rest of society certainly shouldn't be made to subsidise them because they are essentially refusing to lose weight.

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Mustafa said:

Interesting thread.

The issue of obesity is an interesting one. On one side of the argument are those that believe it's fine to be fat - that fat shaming is wrong - and that discrimination against fat people should be considered as abhorrent as any other.

On the other side is the belief that obese people are mostly lazy or selfish - they are drains on the NHS - their lifestyle choices are a burden on themselves and on society; they need more self control - fat shaming is okay as becoming obese is morally wrong.

Then of course there are people who are overweight directly or indirectly through a medical problem - I hope we can all agree that these people don't deserve discrimination; in terms of societal or financial. Perhaps they need more support in the form of government subsidies if XXL clothing really is excessively expensive for them.

The problem however are those who are overweight because they live sedentary lifestyles and/or have a far too high calorie intake (and usually have done for a lifetime) - in other words, a majority of the obese. Why should businesses subsidise them? Why should the NHS carry their burden? Becoming and remaining obese in this way is down to laziness, apathy or greed - more needs to be done to stop people living like this, in form of increased taxation or otherwise. Businesses and the rest of society certainly shouldn't be made to subsidise them because they are essentially refusing to lose weight.

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Mustafa said:

Interesting thread.

The issue of obesity is an interesting one. On one side of the argument are those that believe it's fine to be fat - that fat shaming is wrong - and that discrimination against fat people should be considered as abhorrent as any other.

On the other side is the belief that obese people are mostly lazy or selfish - they are drains on the NHS - their lifestyle choices are a burden on themselves and on society; they need more self control - fat shaming is okay as becoming obese is morally wrong.

Then of course there are people who are overweight directly or indirectly through a medical problem - I hope we can all agree that these people don't deserve discrimination; in terms of societal or financial. Perhaps they need more support in the form of government subsidies if XXL clothing really is excessively expensive for them.

The problem however are those who are overweight because they live sedentary lifestyles and/or have a far too high calorie intake (and usually have done for a lifetime) - in other words, a majority of the obese. Why should businesses subsidise them? Why should the NHS carry their burden? Becoming and remaining obese in this way is down to laziness, apathy or greed - more needs to be done to stop people living like this, in form of increased taxation or otherwise. Businesses and the rest of society certainly shouldn't be made to subsidise them because they are essentially refusing to lose weight.

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Mustafa said:

Possibly not, but we are a long way from living in a society which subsidises businesses for these kinds of expenses. A 6 foot woman simply has increased demands when it comes to fabric and labour required. At the same time a five foot, large breasted woman spends considerably more on a bra than a 6 foot, flat chested woman. It's the genetic lottery which means people have different demands, often resulting in increased expense passed on from greater manufacturing costs to meet their requirements.

For me it's a non-issue anyway, as clothes are so cheap these days despite this.

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