[Politics] Brexit

pastafarian · Jul 19, 2018

Simster said:
Just noise. The fact is, remainers are only doing exactly what Farage did. You're a duplicitous hypocritical weasel dressing it up to suit your own argument.

Alternatively, a Lib Dem speaks:
"Anyone with half an ounce of intelligence can surmise that if it was close with a leave victory there was still fight in the cause to remain" .

Do you see what I did there?

yes a lib dem would say there is still a fight to remain and overturn the democratic vote to leave before its enacted.....thats the lib dems.....weasels
A less undemocratic loon would say there is still a fight to rejoin after we have left and would respect the democratic vote to leave.

I do understand lib dem remoaners voters problems with democracy, they really dont get it.........you are sounding more like one with every post

Herr Tubthumper · Jul 19, 2018

Two Professors said:
Anything is possible.

So you agree what you posted is a rather weak argument?

Blue3 · Jul 19, 2018

Simster said:
There is a difference between a PLAN and an OUTCOME. A plan might have been "if we vote Brexit, we trigger article 50 the day after the vote and negotiate everything from a no deal position". Or it might have been ""if we vote Brexit, we do not trigger article 50 until we have have an idea of the EU position on the big ticket items of free movement, the customs union and the Irish border". Or it might have been "we will trigger article 50, negotiate as best possible and put any negotiated position to another public vote before it is acted upon".

These are all examples of PLANS. They may be flawed but they are plans none the less. What they are not are OUTCOMES. Outcomes are not known until after negotiations.

You sound like a complete simpleton consistently blaming people who are diametrically opposed to Brexit for "wrecking" it. As if we are all expected to say "right we lost, let's roll our sleeves up and get this thing sorted". Do f*ck off, son. To half the country, it's a shìt idea.

Absolutely correct there were so many possable permutations I particularly like "we will trigger article 50, negotiate as best possible and put any negotiated position to another public vote before it is acted upon". It always was a far to complex decision to be decided in or out

Simster · Jul 19, 2018

pastafarian said:
yes a lib dem would say there is still a fight to remain and overturn the democratic vote to leave before its enacted.....thats the lib dems.....weasels
A less undemocratic loon would say there is still a fight to rejoin after we have left and would respect the democratic vote to leave.

I do understand lib dem remoaners voters problems with democracy, they really dont get it.........you are sounding more like one with every post

There is plenty of reason for the LibDems to continue the fight, not least because Brexit is being appallingly managed. At the end of the day, it's quite clear you'd continue your moaning if it had 52-48 the other way. As it is, we're staring down the barrel of a disaster - only the most blinkered Brexiteers refuse to see there might be cause for concern.

Anyway, I'm bored of conversing with you - you've proven you're a hypocritical simpleton and a weasel. Everyone can see it, including I dare say, a handful of Brexit people.

Blue3 · Jul 19, 2018

pastafarian said:
yes a lib dem would say there is still a fight to remain and overturn the democratic vote to leave before its enacted.....thats the lib dems.....weasels
A less undemocratic loon would say there is still a fight to rejoin after we have left and would respect the democratic vote to leave.

I do understand lib dem remoaners voters problems with democracy, they really dont get it.........you are sounding more like one with every post

You really are a not nice person

Two Professors · Jul 19, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
So you agree what you posted is a rather weak argument?

Quite the opposite,actually.But perhaps weak arguments might be better suited to my advancing years!

Deleted member 22389 · Jul 19, 2018

Still annoys me why no energy exists in this country to do what China have done for years and create copy cat products. No wonder China does so well. I know it's about price, I get that, but we need to educate people and show the benefits of manufacturing your own product. If everyone paid a bit more everyone eventually wins, more importantly we create sustainable jobs. If Imoney was no object, I would invest in some moulding machines, hire some Tool Makers / CNC machinists and start machining the tools to mould every day products.

Simster · Jul 19, 2018

pastafarian on Farage said:
Anyone with half an ounce of intelligence can surmise that if it was close with a remain victory there was still fight in the cause to leave

pastafarian on the LibDems said:
yes a lib dem would say there is still a fight to remain and overturn the democratic vote to leave before its enacted.....thats the lib dems.....weasels

Lovely stuff.

Simster · Jul 19, 2018

bashlsdir said:
Still annoys me why no energy exists in this country to do what China have done for years and create copy cat products. No wonder China does so well. I know it's about price, I get that, but we need to educate people and show the benefits of manufacturing your own product. If everyone paid a bit more everyone eventually wins, more importantly we create sustainable jobs. If Imoney was no object, I would invest in some moulding machines, hire some Tool Makers / CNC machinists and start machining the tools to mould every day products.

If you know it's about price, if you know it's about the fact that Chinese living wage is about a fifth of our own (£2 per hour), why did you continue with your waffle after saying so?

We would not create sustainable jobs at all - we wouldn't be able to compete, would we? Our labour costs would be 5 times higher FFS.

pastafarian · Jul 19, 2018

Simster said:
There is plenty of reason for the LibDems to continue the fight, not least because Brexit is being appallingly managed. At the end of the day, it's quite clear you'd continue your moaning if it had 52-48 the other way. As it is, we're staring down the barrel of a disaster - only the most blinkered Brexiteers refuse to see there might be cause for concern.

Anyway, I'm bored of conversing with you - you've proven you're a hypocritical simpleton and a weasel. Everyone can see it, including I dare say, a handful of Brexit people.

Blue3 said:
You really are a not nice person

Oh no, you got to read some truth about remoaner lib dem voters and it made you sad

WATFORD zero · Jul 19, 2018

Two Professors said:
It was a straightforward binary choice Leave or remain,and no amount of whining and crying will alter that.It is historic fact.

And TM is delivering exactly what you voted for :thumbsup:

WATFORD zero · Jul 19, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
[MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION]. Take a break, you’re been owned by numerous people over the past few days. Maybe some time away will be beneficial to you?

I suspect that the very fact that you have suggested this means the porn and puff stash are going to take even more of a thrashing over the next few hours :lolol:

pastafarian · Jul 19, 2018

Simster said:
Lovely stuff.

typical remoaner, cant understand the role of parliamentary enactment with the result of a referendum and its link to the democratic process.
You really must be a lib dem remoaner.....you are oozing it.

Simster · Jul 19, 2018

pastafarian said:

I'm not flouncing, I just despair of you. There are plenty of Brexiteers on here who make good points in my view -JC Footy Genius, Westdene Seagull and cunning fergus (when he lays off the tedious class war nonsense) are all quite interesting to read. But you, well no. You're a devious hypocritical little tit, a nasty little weasel who doesn't understand democracy.

pastafarian said:
Oh no, you got to read some truth about remoaner lib dem voters and it made you sad

It's probably your gammony thick skin, lack of intellect and hypocrisy that he doesn't like. Talking to you is like banging your head against a brick wall. You simply refuse to see what everybody else does - how utterly hypocritical you come across. Tiresome stuff.

pastafarian · Jul 19, 2018

Simster said:
I'm not flouncing, I just despair of you. There are plenty of Brexiteers on here who make good points in my view -JC Footy Genius, Westdene Seagull and cunning fergus (when he lays off the tedious class war nonsense) are all quite interesting to read. But you, well no. You're a devious hypocritical little tit, a nasty little weasel who doesn't understand democracy.

It's probably your gammony thick skin, lack of intellect and hypocrisy that he doesn't like. Talking to you is like banging your head against a brick wall. You simply refuse to see what everybody else does - how utterly hypocritical you come across. Tiresome stuff.

And there you are, the typical bog standard remoaner
Gammon quote lol lack of intellect lol

And how dare i disagree with what you think.

Nailed it.......100% lib dem remoaner.......thanks for the clarification. :wanker:

Deleted member 22389 · Jul 19, 2018

Simster said:
If you know it's about price, if you know it's about the fact that Chinese living wage is about a fifth of our own (£2 per hour), why did you continue with your waffle after saying so?

We would not create sustainable jobs at all - we wouldn't be able to compete, would we? Our labour costs would be 5 times higher FFS.

No need to be rude.

Simster · Jul 19, 2018

pastafarian said:
And there you are, the typical bog standard remoaner
Gammon quote lol lack of intellect lol

And how dare i disagree with what you think.

Nailed it.......100% lib dem remoaner.......thanks for the clarification.

You're confused:

"And how dare i disagree with what you think."

It's not me who started off accusing anyone who disagrees with me of being a weasel for democratically fighting for what they believe in. What a gammon tool you are. I've only it in response to your nonsense.

By the way, yes I'm Lib Dem voter - I consider it a badge of honour if you're using it disparagingly. :lolol:

pastafarian · Jul 19, 2018

I`ll leave you boys with this to ponder ....yet again (its tickled me).....since it hasnt sunk in to those remoaners on here who are insisting MP`s should not ignore their constituents referendum vote, especially thunder clap
I will add "probably"

Full fact 13th july 2018
https://fullfact.org/europe/did-maj...bour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/

Other graphs available in the article

:bigwave:

Herr Tubthumper · Jul 19, 2018

pastafarian said:
And there you are, the typical bog standard remoaner
Gammon quote lol lack of intellect lol

And how dare i disagree with what you think.

Nailed it.......100% lib dem remoaner.......thanks for the clarification.

Nice straw man, now address the points Simster made. Or will you now flounce because he called you a name?

Simster · Jul 19, 2018

bashlsdir said:
No need to be rude.

I've not really been rude there have I? A bit sharp maybe, but to be fair it's just so dumb.

If it was that easy, we'd be making things cheaper already, just as we did in the 1900-1950s when trade tariffs were commonplace, and poorer countries hadn't started their own industrial revolutions thus providing competition.

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