[Politics] Brexit

ozzygull said:

That’s exactly what I think. I was grumpy with my mum for the way she voted. But then I realised that the only way she could vote was by gut feeling. My mum has not internet access, and struggles to understand even the basics of modern day life. I on the other hand did a massive amount of research try to read in many views as possible. But I still had to go with gut instinct.

People talk of democracy, but we already have that and we vote hoping that the people who run the country do so in our best interest. If our priminister at the time was a remainer, because he thought we were better being in the EU. I am guessing he had access to more facts then me or my mother, why the hell did he give people who realistically don’t have a scooby a chance to decide. He took a risk and it back fired and now we are all going to pay. Remember It’s only the rich that prosper when things go dramatically tits up. So I do not think the current incumbents will give a flying duck.

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Mo Gosfield said:

Ask yourself the question why the political elite allowed this vote. The majority didn't want to abandon the EU. It is the most fantastically beneficial bureaucratic gravy train ever invented. It keeps tens of thousands of civil servants in highly paid salaries ( 4000+ earning six figure salaries ) It supports with massive pensions. It supports with post-MP career jobs, at huge salaries. It rolls on looking after its own.

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golddene said:

But Trig, the current ruling party introduced this fixed FIVE year term, Labour do not have to present their manifesto for another FOUR years!!!

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they are Her Majesties opposition and they are opposing

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JC Footy Genius said:

A couple of minor points, we had a referendum where a majority voted leave with the promise this would be enacted and a general election where over 80% voted for parties promising to enact the referendum result. You and others want a third go to hopefully get a result you want .. which is very EU keep asking the question etc.

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In the two years since the Leave campaign unexpectedly won, nobody, from the prime minister to Mr. Johnson to the Labour Party, has been able to come up with a plan for exiting the European Union that can satisfy both a majority in Parliament and the expectant public. Why? Because fulfilling the false promises peddled by Mr. Johnson during the campaign is impossible.

The gulf between the easy, prosperous, productive Brexit that its voters are impatiently expecting, and the grim, complicated cost of disentangling economies that have been intertwined for decades has poisoned and paralyzed British politics.

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Berty23 said:

Phew. Food mountains are being prepared in case we have a no deal. Excellent news. The promised boon to the country of Brexit and 350 million a week for the NHS is becoming "hopefully we won't starve"

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/67472...processed-food/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Triggaaar said:

We had a general election after the Brexit vote, and Labour said they'd implement Brexit if they won, so what strategy did they put forward?

Right, but when you
oppose you're not supposed to just wave your arms about and shout 'I oppose' every time the other party speaks, you're supposed to explain why, and part of explaining why is putting forward your better alternative.

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golddene said:

Righto, you're playing poker, just show your opponent your hand eh?

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Besides, it's far fetched I know but.......
Imagine you've stumbled over a way forward from this mess, you'd share your vision with your opponents would you?

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Triggaaar said:

So you think being in opposition should be like a game of poker, where you don't say anything at all?

Hell yeah! I'd get that way forward detailed so that everyone in the country knows it was my party's idea, and then when the government implement it, we'd get a better Britain as a result, and my party would be able to claim the credit.

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Mo Gosfield said:

Please, please don't fall into the trap of believing that politicians know better than us and are thus, better placed and informed at making decisions on our behalf. There is always an agenda behind everything. Ask yourself the question why the political elite allowed this vote. The majority didn't want to abandon the EU. It is the most fantastically beneficial bureaucratic gravy train ever invented. It keeps tens of thousands of civil servants in highly paid salaries ( 4000+ earning six figure salaries ) It supports with massive pensions. It supports with post-MP career jobs, at huge salaries. It rolls on looking after its own. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
Their own arrogance led them to think that it was a sure-fire result. It was going to be a mandate for Cameron and Osborne to carry on as before, despite years and years of failure at trying to secure even a slightly better deal out of Brussels. In fact, our position was steadily getting worse and worse. A lot of people in this country could see the EU sticking two fingers up to us and railroading through everything we tried to do. The people could see vast contributions going into the EU coffers and couldn't see value for money. The people could see that their own internal interests weren't being represented. They saw the failure of multi-culturalism. They saw deprivation and ghettoes. They saw a country out of control. They saw a country that had changed over the years from a strong manufacturing base to a service-based country. They saw how Germany benefitted from and controlled the EU. They saw that the EU doesn't suit our trading profile. It could have done with a different attitude but nothing is going to change within the powerbase of the EU. They are hellbent on a straight road to superstate federalism and a lot of people in this country don't fancy that.
You and your Mum had different gut feelings. No problem in that. Most of the best decisions in life are gut feelings. I have a gut feeling that eventually the EU will cease to exist in its current format. The world is ever changing. Look back 50 years and then back again to now. I could be wrong but one thing I do know, is that the rest of the world has caught up and as the EU continues to adopt protectionist policies for its own land mass, the rest of the world is overtaking it.

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Berty23 said:

Phew. Food mountains are being prepared in case we have a no deal. Excellent news. The promised boon to the country of Brexit and 350 million a week for the NHS is becoming "hopefully we won't starve"

Cool

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/67472...processed-food/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

Other than the German Chancellor's remarkable resemblance to the late, great Les Dawson in the first picture, I'd be rather more troubled by looking at pictures of our own leader snuggling up one Donald Trump over the next few days. Especially given his admiration for Boris.

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highflyer said:

A good reality check, in terms of where we are now, from the FT, and I particularly like the final line:

'Brexiters are like the dog that caught the car. Now the dog must work out what to do next'

https://www.ft.com/content/6cd2421c...3a-638d0291e9bd&segment_detail=Story4BrexitUK

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