I haven't judged I've reported. He's talking genocide. Exactly what Hitler started on 3 years after Churchill's speech in 1940. Nothing was said by Churchill until 1944 about extermination camps in Germany. Then it was ignored and German civilians were annihalated instead.
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I haven't judged I've reported. He's talking genocide. Exactly what Hitler started on 3 years after Churchill's speech in 1940. Nothing was said by Churchill until 1944 about extermination camps in Germany. Then it was ignored and German civilians were annihalated instead.
KZNSeagull
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Indeed. I wonder how many people believe that William Wallace sired Edward III, despite Wallace being executed 7 years before Edward III's birth and Isabella actually only being a toddler at the time of the supposed conception.
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I've never been inspired or repelled by Churchill. Some may say there is cause for both. Admittedly, he was a pretty brutal sort who was happy to trade innocent lives and sanctioned some pretty rotten, and seemingly needless, actions. I also think that the war effort was a massive exercise in pluralism. It is often said Churchill struggled without Eden. There was an inter-dependency.
So, being someone who wasn't there I have no opinion on him- except to say that our nation probably needed him for the role he performed.
So, being someone who wasn't there I have no opinion on him- except to say that our nation probably needed him for the role he performed.
Bladders
Twats everywhere
There's one out later this year, set in 1982 a crack American unit of 5 Navy Seals who are the best of the best of the best, retake the Falkland Islands from zombified Argentine soldiers after the British fleet of one fishing trawler floundered off the coast of Portsmouth and had to return to port after losing the crews consignment of Earl Grey, bowler hats and Cucumber sandwiches.
Its going to be a trilogy too.
5mins-from-amex
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Great leader of men, would not have won the war without him.
If it were not for Churchill we would all be speaking German now
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There's one out later this year, set in 1982 a crack American unit of 5 Navy Seals who are the best of the best of the best, retake the Falkland Islands from zombified Argentine soldiers after the British fleet of one fishing trawler floundered off the coast of Portsmouth and had to return to port after losing the crews consignment of Earl Grey, bowler hats and Cucumber sandwiches.
Its going to be a trilogy too.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Wellington, and Nelson weren't angels either.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
This is the timeline of the Holocaust. Jews were being killed in the 1930s albeit not on a extermination level.
Look at 1939.
1939
Hitler predicts that if there is war, Jews will be exterminated.
http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_holocaust.html
Britain (not Churchill) warned Germany that if they invaded Poland, war would be declared.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Made himself a bit unpopular with the French when he ordered the attack on Mers-el Kebir but at the same time convinced Roosevelt of his ruthlessness and (probably) ensured the Americans would enter the war in Europe.
On the other hand, a moody old pisshead
On the other hand, a moody old pisshead
5mins-from-amex
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If the French fleet had of falling into German hands the home fleet would have been out numbered, a scenario that could not become reality. Churchill gave the French the option the sail with the Royal Navy but they declined, its sad that people like to use this decision to label Churchill as a war criminal.
Bladders
Twats everywhere
Bladders
Twats everywhere
I hope you weren't presuming his gender, you dinosaur from a byegone era you!
5mins-from-amex
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What we need is more Corbyn types during times of total war
Indeed, if that clown was PM at the time the Hood would have been sailing around with no 15'' shells.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Churchill gave them three choices; sail with the RN (with or without a French crew), scuttle or abandon ship and let the RN sink them. Churchill didn't believe that they wouldn't take any of them; Albert Lebrun, President of France, didn't believe Churchill would order the RN to fire on manned ships. He was wrong.
People labelling Churchill a war criminal need to read a bit more and understand the threat we (alone) were facing.
I think you'll find that Churchill was persuaded to broadcast the same speech on the BBC 9 o/c Radio News that same night, however the second time around it was described as "lack lustre".
As evidenced by Harold Nicolson (Under Sec of State) in a letter to his wife:
"How I wish Winston would not talk on the wireless unless he is feeling in good form. He hates the microphone and when we bullied him into speaking last night, he just sulked and read his House of Commons speech over again. Now, as delivered in the House of Commons, that speech was magnificent, especially the concluding sentences. But it sounded ghastly on the wireless. All the great vigour he put into it seemed to evaporate."
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I am a member of the HMS Hood Association, as my Dad served on her 37-39. I have met a couple of people who were on board when Mers-el-Kebir happened, and a French sailor, a survivor from a ship in that fleet. They went to each others memorial services.
I know Commander Keith Evans said he felt bad about having to sink the fleet, but war is a dirty business. Andre, the Frenchman also understood that it was needed at the time. Both lovely men. Commander Evans is now 97, and still going strong.
beorhthelm
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imperialist i believe is the correct term.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
http://www.hmshood.com/history/forceh/oran.htm
When the Hood was sunk by the Bismark in May 1941, there were Free French serving on board with us.