[Politics] Brexit

pastafarian · Jan 29, 2018

Titanic said:
And if in doubt just call them evil Tory *****.

Indeed, it has been quite obvious for a while that some of the main remain antagonists on here have a primary anti Tory bias that takes precedent over their love of the EU, this influences their judgement on all matters EU and obstructs them remembering the reality that Brexit was voted for across many political lines.
Blinded by hatred is I believe the correct terminology.

pastafarian · Jan 29, 2018

Mental Lental said:
I thought I had all of you dribbling spacktards on ignore by now but there's one here that seems to have slipped the net. Thank you for allowing me to correct the situation.

I can honestly say as you describe leavers as dribbling spacktards that I am not surprised [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] gave you a thumbs up for this definition
Class warriors really do show no class at all.

pastafarian · Jan 29, 2018

Im guessing with the further affirmation by Davis, Hammond and Clark this past week that we are leaving the EU. And the further affirmation we will be outside membership of the single market and customs union, the last of the remainers on here who think we are somehow staying in by the back door must be finally chucking in the towel in defeat on that score.
Perhaps its still not sinking in though and they are clinging onto Gina’s new vision of a “peoples vote” (not a referendum apparently) where one option is to ignore the leave vote and stay in.
Poor old Gina, campaigned to have the Brexit decisions made by parliament, hoping parliament would stop Brexit, now angry Labour are not anti Brexit so wants the decision process handed back to the “people” instead.

nicko31 · Jan 29, 2018

Well the EU 27 meet to discuss our transition deal. We await their instructions.

Then expect mass bed wetting and cat fights in the Tory party

#ttakebackcontrol

cheshunt seagull · Jan 29, 2018

pastafarian said:
Indeed, it has been quite obvious for a while that some of the main remain antagonists on here have a primary anti Tory bias that takes precedent over their love of the EU, this influences their judgement on all matters EU and obstructs them remembering the reality that Brexit was voted for across many political lines.
Blinded by hatred is I believe the correct terminology.

I always thought that the question of EU membership was a sub-plot of the much bigger and more important on-going saga of the Tory leadership.

nicko31 · Jan 29, 2018

Surely this must be the EU's fault

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-voting-cities-will-lose-the-most-jobs-to-robots-2018-1

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 29, 2018

nicko31 said:
Surely this must be the EU's fault

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-voting-cities-will-lose-the-most-jobs-to-robots-2018-1

“it'll be Southern cities that are set to attract high skilled roles, while elsewhere it'll be low skilled occupations which grow.”

Pretty obvious really, you’d need to be brain dead to go and work in, say, Stoke. You’d probably fit in quite well though :lolol:

BigGully · Jan 29, 2018

nicko31 said:
Surely this must be the EU's fault

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-voting-cities-will-lose-the-most-jobs-to-robots-2018-1

Business Insider :facepalm:

BigGully · Jan 29, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
“it'll be Southern cities that are set to attract high skilled roles, while elsewhere it'll be low skilled occupations which grow.”

Pretty obvious really, you’d need to be brain dead to go and work in, say, Stoke. You’d probably fit in quite well though

Here he is, his daily snippet of supposedly Brexit induced bad news, proving absolutely nothing other than [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] yearns for the UK to fail no matter what, great guy :yawn:

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 29, 2018

BigGully said:
Here he is, his daily snippet of supposedly Brexit induced bad news, proving absolutely nothing other than [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] yearns for the UK to fail no matter what, great guy

FFS. It was nicko who posted it. I merely sniped at the shit hole that is Stoke. You are sooooo desperate aren’t you? Or thick if you think my post proves anything other than my thoughts on Stoke.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 29, 2018

Baldseagull said:
Corbyn will be loudly pro remain by the end of this I reckon.

Despite having being a strong Eurosceptic the whole of his political career ?? Now that would be one of the biggest political U turns ever.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 29, 2018

The Clamp said:
There are very few coincidences in such matters. Try to use reason to look for a sensible reason things occur rather then jumping straight to conspiracy. Anyway, I realise you are clearly a conspiracy theorist and I have a strict rule not to engage conspiracy theorists, they are unstable, toxic, and try to drag people into their dark world. Not for me thank you.
TB
TC

As per usual, you don't like it when someone has a different opinion to you so you either call them names or sulk .... much like a six year old.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 29, 2018

pastafarian said:
I can honestly say as you describe leavers as dribbling spacktards that I am not surprised [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] gave you a thumbs up for this definition
Class warriors really do show no class at all.

Don't worry - people like The Clamp and his merry gang calling people 'spacktards' ( how intelligent and charming ! ) and idiots shows they know their argument is lost and how ever much they wish for it to be otherwise, we're leaving the EU, the customs union and the single market. They will continue to call people names up to and after our exit.

Lincoln Imp · Jan 29, 2018

pastafarian said:
I can honestly say as you describe leavers as dribbling spacktards that I am not surprised [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] gave you a thumbs up for this definition
Class warriors really do show no class at all.

It amuses me how some Leave enthusiasts just love to be called thick. Perhaps they want to feel put upon. Mental Lental specifically did not describe all 'leavers as dribbling spacktards' - he used the term in respect of people who post in a certain way. Personally, I do my best to avoid name-calling. What's your position?

beorhthelm · Jan 29, 2018

nicko31 said:
Surely this must be the EU's fault

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-voting-cities-will-lose-the-most-jobs-to-robots-2018-1

i think it only shows that EU is not the most significant issue for the future.

Baldseagull · Jan 29, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Despite having being a strong Eurosceptic the whole of his political career ?? Now that would be one of the biggest political U turns ever.

I see it like this, those up for free trade and business (Tories) liked the initial EEC, those of more socialist tendencies were not so keen, then came the Social Charter, Tories shat the bed, and those of more socialist tendencies were appeased somewhat.
The referendum forced all of us, well those of us that realised the enormity of the decision, to evaluate what the EU is, what it should be, what it could be, and if we believe it can be what it should be.
Corbyn was a limp remainer during the campaign, so it is a bit inaccurate to describe him as lifelong Eurosceptic, I think he also re evaluated his thoughts on the EU and came to the conclusion, that for the sake of workers rights and the environment, the EU checked the worst of hard capitalism with low responsibility.
I am sure that he, as we all do, thinks the EU is ineffective, out of touch and wasteful etc in certain ways, like any governing body, but understands what Tory leavers mean when they say Britain can be more competitive.

ManOfSussex · Jan 29, 2018

pastafarian said:
I can honestly say as you describe leavers as dribbling spacktards that I am not surprised [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] gave you a thumbs up for this definition
Class warriors really do show no class at all.

I see you're having another one of your early morning rampages to relieve your frustrations, whatever they may be, on the Brexit thread again.

Having seen the time that post was made on a Saturday evening it amused me yesterday morning upon reading it, hence my thumbs up alongside someone else who did, who you omitted to mention and only randomly did so on me presumably for the purposes of trolling in the erroneous belief that I'd be overly interested in any thoughts or views emanating from the dark recesses of your smug, middle England brain or even that I'd be perhaps be intimidated by you mentioning me, who knows, when you are in fact more specifically, not a 'spacktard', as the poster generically called leave voters the early hours of yesterday morning, but just a complete smug, little trolling ****.

Baldseagull · Jan 29, 2018

Garry Nelson's teacher said:
A simple point. I've yet to see anyone convincingly demonstrate that the loss of the trade which will follow (as night follows day) leaving the EU will be matched by the trade created by our ability to make our own deals with new trade partners. Can anyone please provide this? Yes we can drape Liam Fox in a union flag and send him around the world (preferably with a single rather than a return ticket) but does anyone really believe that he can deliver?

No, it can't be provided, there is a catch 22 situation, where, to get a comprehensive trade deal with the US, we would have to adopt standards quite different to those of the EU, and therefore reduce trade with the EU further. Logically, we would be better off with similar standards for foods and agricultural produce as the EU, but the US is keen to sell foodstuffs to us and would like to be able to sell hormone injected beef, chlorine washed Chicken, GM corn etc, and will push hard for this in any trade deal. If we allow hormone injected beef, we cant sell beef to the EU, and so on.
Inside the EU, we can decide we want to have a more diverse manufacturing industry, and we know we can sell whatever product without impediment to a large market, in future, some industries could just not be viable as export businesses, depending on the trade agreements we have.

Westdene Seagull · Jan 29, 2018

Baldseagull said:
If we allow hormone injected beef, we cant sell beef to the EU, and so on.

You may be correct - I've not seen evidence of this though. Why would it not be possible for us to buy hormone inject beef from the States ( obviously clearly marked as such ) AND sell our own non-hormone injected beef to the EU ?

Baldseagull · Jan 29, 2018

pastafarian said:
Indeed, it has been quite obvious for a while that some of the main remain antagonists on here have a primary anti Tory bias that takes precedent over their love of the EU, this influences their judgement on all matters EU and obstructs them remembering the reality that Brexit was voted for across many political lines.
Blinded by hatred is I believe the correct terminology.

Eurosceptics exist in greater numbers in the Tory party than in any other, the EU is an issue that divides that party like no other. The Leave campaign sell of being more competetive, trading freely with the world, and full sovereignty are Tory ideals. The large majority of working class, traditional Labour voters voted on the issue of immigration alone.
Post Brexit, immigration will continue at similar levels if we have the work available, the figures might drop because Theresa May or whoever is in charge will decide to stop including international students in the figures, or create some other way of artificial reporting to produce lower numbers. If we truly don't have similar numbers coming in, growth will slow further.

Edit. My point is, the working class leave voters will not get what they wanted from this, in any way shape or form.

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