[News] Marie Laguerre assault

Tokyohands · Jul 31, 2018

LlcoolJ said:
Can't help but think that had that been in most places in England he'd have (rightly) got a proper pasting. Probably just from the women who were there.

Nah, everyone would be too busy filming him.

Medwayseagull · Jul 31, 2018

Tokyohands said:
Nah, everyone would be too busy filming him.

Even more so in Japan.

Gwylan · Jul 31, 2018

Triggaaar said:
The thing is, if you (he) did that, you could be (successfully) prosecuted.

That, as I pointed out above, is just not true. In France, you're more likely to be prosecuted for not doing anything

portlock seagull · Jul 31, 2018

Gwylan said:
That's not the case in France though. If you see someone being assaulted then bystanders have a legal duty to intervene or can nebe charged with non-assistance à personne en danger. I imagine a magistrate may be looking at this to see whether anyone could have intervened or whether it happened too quickly.

I knnow, It’s not reality though is it? Eg It’s the law in the first place not to commit crime but people still do sadly

Triggaaar · Jul 31, 2018

Gwylan said:
That, as I pointed out above, is just not true. In France, you're more likely to be prosecuted for not doing anything

I was thinking of England, as that's where we live, and if we saw someone fit a woman, we'd likely be at home in England. Maybe you'd be ok with it in France, but strictly speaking those people weren't in a position to stop an attack, as the attack had ended and the guy was walking away.

seagulls4ever · Jul 31, 2018

Triggaaar said:
I was thinking of England, as that's where we live, and if we saw someone fit a woman, we'd likely be at home in England. Maybe you'd be ok with it in France, but strictly speaking those people weren't in a position to stop an attack, as the attack had ended and the guy was walking away.

My frustration wasn't that the guy wasn't decked, because of what you say. My frustration was that no one stopped him from getting away. He should have been held down until the Police arrived.

seagulls4ever · Jul 31, 2018

Gwylan said:
That's not the case in France though. If you see someone being assaulted then bystanders have a legal duty to intervene or can nebe charged with non-assistance à personne en danger. I imagine a magistrate may be looking at this to see whether anyone could have intervened or whether it happened too quickly.

Gwylan said:
That, as I pointed out above, is just not true. In France, you're more likely to be prosecuted for not doing anything

Does that apply after the attacker is already walking away? There's a difference between not intervening to help someone and decking someone who is walking away.

Stat Brother · Jul 31, 2018

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out 'it wouldn't have happened if she had a gun' :facepalm:

Gwylan · Jul 31, 2018

Triggaaar said:
I was thinking of England, as that's where we live

We may live in England but the attack happened in France and English law doesn't apply there

seagulls4ever said:
Does that apply after the attacker is already walking away? There's a difference between not intervening to help someone and decking someone who is walking away.

I've absolutely no idea, I'm not a French lawyer. But there is a difference in French law and English law here given the obligation to help. My guess here is that no-one would be expected to intervene but if someone thought to give the bloke a bit of a slap, the authorities would be happy to turn a blind eye.

seagulls4ever · Jul 31, 2018

Gwylan said:
We may live in England but the attack happened in France and English law doesn't apply there

I've absolutely no idea, I'm not a French lawyer. But there is a difference in French law and English law here given the obligation to help. My guess here is that no-one would be expected to intervene but if someone thought to give the bloke a bit of a slap, the authorities would be happy to turn a blind eye.

Quite possibly. But when Triggaaar responded to suggestions that the bloke should have been attacked in response, saying "The thing is, if you (he) did that, you could be (successfully) prosecuted", you responding by "that is just not true". Because the guy walked away immediately after the attack, and was continuing to do so, it's not 100% clear that anyone attacking the guy wouldn't have been prosecuted, particularly if they had done serious damage. It would seem more like retribution rather than helping. Plus, Triggaaar only said "could", not that that it was 100%. The point at which intervention was possible the guy was well away, it wouldn't have been helping her to attack him, so I agree with Triggaaar's response.

Triggaaar · Jul 31, 2018

Gwylan said:
We may live in England but the attack happened in France and English law doesn't apply there

But I was replying to Simster who was saying what he thinks he'd do in a similar situation. A similar situation would be for it to happen here, and if on holiday I don't suppose he'd have time to quickly look up the law in the country he's in to determine whether or not he's within his rights to punch the guy.

My guess here is that no-one would be expected to intervene but if someone thought to give the bloke a bit of a slap, the authorities would be happy to turn a blind eye.

I agree if it was just a slap, but if you punched him and he fell to the floor and injured his head, you could be in a spot of bother.

Triggaaar · Jul 31, 2018

Stat Brother said:
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out 'it wouldn't have happened if she had a gun'

She'd have got her gun out, he'd have taken it off her and killed her, and then he'd have killed the guy with the chair and a few others for good measure. We'd then be discussing whether lives could have been saved if the guy with a chair had a gun instead of a chair.

Stat Brother · Jul 31, 2018

Triggaaar said:
She'd have got her gun out, he'd have taken it off her and killed her, and then he'd have killed the guy with the chair and a few others for good measure. We'd then be discussing whether lives could have been saved if the guy with a chair had a gun instead of a chair.

Not if the guy with the chair had a gun, and the waiter as well.

Triggaaar · Jul 31, 2018

Stat Brother said:
Not if the guy with the chair had a gun, and the waiter as well.

But they didn't, which is why I said 'We'd then be discussing whether lives could have been saved if the guy with a chair had a gun instead of a chair.'

Brightonfan1983 · Jul 31, 2018

Stat Brother said:
Not if the guy with the chair had a gun, and the waiter as well.

Don't forget the kids on the school bus that was probably nearby. You're onto something here. Perhaps Trump would be interested?

Bozza · Oct 4, 2018

Identified, tried and found guilty. Six months in prison.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45749892

Seasidesage · Oct 4, 2018

Saw someone do something similar to a girl near the bar in the old Sea House many years ago. I think every bloke in the pub hit him before he fell out of the door. Including me.

Fignon's Ponytail · Oct 5, 2018

An old friend has posted on FB today that a guy punched his (the mans, not my mates) girlfriend in the face right in front of my mate in Cyprus this morning, so he is now in a police station giving statements after clobbering the bloke. Seeing that he has been in the security business for 20+ years, I dont reckon on the other guys chances much...

Good on him I say, & hopefully the Cypriot Police will sort the other guy out.

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