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Banning Smoking in pubkic places...
- Thread starter dingodan
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You are very deluded.
paul & shark
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- Sep 17, 2013
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vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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For now.
Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews
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The tax on smoking does not cover the associated costs of NHS treatment of smoking related illness
BensGrandad
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My view is that if smoking was probited in public be it outside a pub, in a street, at a bus stop or wherever, people would soon acclimatise to it and we would all benefit health wise. I smoked 15 large cigars a day until 52 years old and then had cancer of the mouth. The consultant gave me two options pack up which I did in 1995 or as he said dont book a holiday for next year as you will lose the deposit. So I can see both sides and know which is best.
I did German for A level back in the 70's. There were only four or five of us so we had some classes in the teacher's sitting room. First thing he always did was get his pipe going and so we sat there learning German in this marvellous smog! Still fond of the aroma though I don't smoke one.
Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews
Remainer
mr Hall used to freely smoke his pipe during a lesson (Moulsecoomb middle c1977) in one instance, I kid you not, he tapped some kid on the head with it, a bit of hot ash came out and burnt the pupil in question, he in turn simply rubbed it out of his hair and it was never mentioned again. If that happened now Sky News would headline it and have a van of reporters camped in Hodgrove Rd.
GT49er
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Yes, it is about time the amount of venom and demonisation directed at smokers started being directed at obese people. Unlike smokers, who pay taxes that cover (or partly cover, whichever side of the pro or anti argument you are on) the cost to the NHS of treating them, obese people don't - and they cost the NHS far, far more than smokers do.
And when they're squashed up next to you in a bus on a hot day, spreading their gross sweaty bodies over one and a half seats, they probably smell worse too!
Barrel of Fun
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I'm still not entirely sure how the smoking ban has led to the demise of the pub trade?
British Bulldog
The great escape
- Feb 6, 2006
- 10,899
I think you'd be hard pushed to find somebody who doesn't harm the environment in one way or another.
BensGrandad
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Many people used to have a drink and a smoke now they have to go out to the garden so if doing that they may just as well do it with mates at home hence not down the pub.
Barrel of Fun
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Difficult to quantify, but I imagine that the number is minimal compared to those who prefer to sup from a rather wonderful range of cheap beers from supermarkets.
I don't see it as such a hardship to have a crafty smoke on the doorstep of a pub than inside. What about those that will now frequent a pub as they don't have to inhale smoke and smell like an ashtray?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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yes it does, and with plenty of change. highest estimate of cost is 6bn (which doesnt discount early death of proportion of smokers from NHS bill). tobacco duties at about 9.5 and VAT another 2.5bn. then theres tax on the profits of the tobacco companies (which i cant be bothered to look up) and the tax on the income of the tens of thousands those companies employ. so at least 15bn, or 2.5x more than the cost. with the lower estimates around £3bn, its a 5x benefit. thats why they dont ban it out right you see, cant afford to.
BensGrandad
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It is a statistical fact that many customers have stopped using pubs because they cannot have a smoke in there rather than the number of attendances increasing.
Hillian1
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Prove it.
Return of the Rev
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BensGrandad
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Just ask CAMRA or any other trade organisation, or indeed most publicans and ask them if their trade has dropped since smoking was banned in pubs.
The pub cos must accept some of the blame with the rents they charge but the major cause of failure is the banning of smoking in pubs.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,348
to be fair to the grandad who cried wolf, he's spot on. beer sales dropped ~10% in the months immediatly following the ban, and pub clousures accelerated, going from 400 to 1400+ closures in 2007 and 1900+ in 2008. there are a number of other factors, but noone is denying the smoking ban had a significant impact on pubs.