Raleigh Chopper
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That's it, thread closed, didn't take too long did it.
Thank the lord, we can all get back to fish puns and talking about poo.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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That's it, thread closed, didn't take too long did it.
Thank the lord, we can all get back to fish puns and talking about poo.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,090
Terrifically patronising too...
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,090
I couldn't be bothered to make such points given the tone of the original but nice to read someone could
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
It must be becoming apparent to even the most unaware that the ERG and their supporters are being shown up as the completely inept, incompetent, unskilled, inexpert, amateurish, unprofessional, bungling, blundering, clumsy, unproficient, inadequate, substandard, inferior, ineffective, deficient, ineffectual, wanting, lacking, out of touch bunch of complete buffoons that they really are.
These people are meant to be professional politicians and yet don't have the faintest grasp of the simple basics of the case they are trying to argue.
How on earth did so many naive and gullible people in this country get to be taken in by this absolute bunch of clowns
(I am aware that not every leave voter was taken in by these shysters 'no deal' fantasy).
Who did you nick that from?Too many big words for you.It also sounds like a perfect description of the Parliamentary Labour Party.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
I beg to differ, there is a principle at work. The Scots use the argument that their particular specific case can be justified when their unfairly weighted vote is applied in the UK, but complain when other parts of the UK outweigh their voice.
One definition of irony is:
"incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs"
And I believe that fits with my usage.
pastafarianstwin
New member
- Nov 6, 2018
- 3
Are you suggesting too in your global free movement there should be no physical barriers anywhere too like border crossing checks as currently practised in the EU Schengen zone to allow full freedom of movement?
pastafarianstwin
New member
- Nov 6, 2018
- 3
What a laughable observation, EU immigration has remained high even after the transitional period on the EU8 ( which we didn’t enforce) would have expired if we did, and remained high when we did enforce the transitional period of Romania and Bulgaria. Significant numbers of Romanians and Bulgarians arrived even when we did have those countries on a restraint. The 7 year transitional period isn’t worth anything, and measures to check on jobseekers months after they have gained entry is not adequate border control in anyones book. The fact of the matter is the only way to control immigration is to leave the EU.
And that notion of pooled sovereignty was the primary reason ( if you believe the polls) that the public decided to vote to Leave. Quite simply millions just did not want the ever increasing levels of pooled sovereignty and the increasing competence of The EU to legislate on areas where our parliament had no say and when finally given the opportunity to express this in a vote they did
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
A very well thought out and well presented post. But I wouldn't go for a career in the diplomatic service
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
Another sensible post. But I take issue with your no one could predict. I think Mystic Meg has said since the day after the referendum, that this is exactly what would happen
Mtoto
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- Sep 28, 2003
- 1,841
The Remain side warned repeatedly during the referendum campaign that a leave vote risked creating a situation in which we were out of the EU but still subject to its rules and with no say in future ones. In view of the huge disparity in economic power and reach between the UK and the other 27 - who will also still be enjoying all the benefits of single market membership - it's just basic maths.
Mtoto
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- Sep 28, 2003
- 1,841
Perhaps you're just terrifically thin-skinned?
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
- 5,964
It's been said before but the concept of 'sharing sovereignty' was one of the recurring themes of the original referendum. The Daily Telegraph grumbled at the time that it seemed to be taking over the debate.Of course there was duplicity on both sides - there usually at such times - but I just don't believe that the British national and its spiky media are as naive and gullible as you imply - although in fairness, it's not just you. 'We was hoodwinked' is one of the great themes of the Brexit movement, an urban myth of 70s Britain designed to support that recurring vision of plucky Blighty fighting against the world.
The poster you respond to made no comment about whose fault the great wars of the 20th century were, but once again you feel the need to drag the issue up with a smirky sort of comment. We must know our history and learn from it. Most of us have a view on which of the six empires involved was most to blame for launching the 30 years of on-off conflict that wrecked the first half of the 20th century. (Mine is that it was the German one btw.) The European Union, whilst flawed in some respects, has done more than any other organisation to ensure that the circumstances of then will never be repeated across western Europe.
That's a heck of a legacy and people standing on the sideline whistling the Dambusters theme tune do nothing to detract from it. To the contrary.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,090
Or, as others have said, you lack diplomacy.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,090
it was one of many possibile scenarios inc Aliens landing or Nick Knowles having a no.1 hit but no one could predict what would actually happen / remains to be seen. Sorry but to say otherwise is rubbish. We still don’t know. Crickey, even the vote leave wasn’t supposed to happen. Anyway, these are strange times so keep eye out for Aliens but I think we can safely say Nick Knowles will never have a no.1 hit. I was being silly obviously...Another sensible post. But I take issue with your no one could predict. I think Mystic Meg has said since the day after the referendum, that this is exactly what would happen
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
I think we will have to disagree about what was predictable. I'll dig out Meg's predictions tomorrow.
We are in complete agreement on Nick Knowles though.
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Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Sorry,but the question was about the Common Market.
As for attaching blame for the wars,if the poster raised the subject to imply the lack of wars is down to the EU (another piece of Remainhistory,fake news),then not to reply would be ignoring real historical fact.And yes,the Dambusters did help to defeat Nazi Germany.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Why tomorrow?Can't you predict where you will find them?
GT49er
Well-known member
No, that was the UN, with a little help from NATO.
