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Herr Tubthumper

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Fucck sake, read the thread you dullard, I said nothing of the sort.

Hmmmmm. There seems to be a number of people misinterpreting what you're trying to see. What exactly are you trying to say? Instead of getting frustrated and resorting to name calling maybe try and explain yourself better?
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Just as an aside, I think "Coercive Interrogation Techniques" would be a good name for a heavy metal band.

:thumbsup: I'm thinkiong hardcore/crossover; C.I.T. will look excellent across the top of a t-shirt.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Cannot see ANY need for torture, when there are truth drugs, to get any info from "suspects"?

CIA et al seem to be power-crazed sadists.

Who do that when you can 'rectal feed' someone?
 


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MattBackHome

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Hmmmmm. There seems to be a number of people misinterpreting what you're trying to see. What exactly are you trying to say? Instead of getting frustrated and resorting to name calling maybe try and explain yourself better?

I think his point is that if country admits when bad things happen, has a facility for redress or changing things, and demonstrates elements of openness and culpability that this is preferable to the alternative. This doesn't excuse the torture; in fact it does the opposite by pointing a direct finger at it, and those who perpetrated it.
 






somerset

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I'll go one better, I'll re-read, and quote the sequence of posts for clarity. I think it's you that now needs to comment.
Thank you, I will,..... I responded that you CAN point fingers at Russia and China,........... you are obviously saying that the torture, human rights abuses, mass executions, political suppression and lack of any freedom of speech in these eastern dictatorships, are all to be ignored simply because the US has been brought to book for its own transgressions.

.....but that trend fits with your historical support of the various totalitarian regimes and terrorist organisations around the world.
 
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somerset

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I think his point is that if country admits when bad things happen, has a facility for redress or changing things, and demonstrates elements of openness and culpability that this is preferable to the alternative. This doesn't excuse the torture; in fact it does the opposite by pointing a direct finger at it, and those who perpetrated it.
At last, someone who CAN see the wood for the trees.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Thank you, I will,..... I responded that you CAN point fingers at Russia and China,........... you are obviously saying that the torture, human rights abuses, mass executions, political suppression and lack of any freedom of speech in these eastern dictatorships, are all to be ignored simply because the US has been brought to book for its own transgressions.

.....but that trend fits with your historical support of the various totalitarian regimes and terrorist organisations around the world.

Why don't you go and have a lie down eh? Rest your brain.
 




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Triggaaar

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If you condone breaking international laws concerning the arrest and detention, international rendition and torture of UNCONVICTED detainees you are definitely as bad as the savage with the knife ready to behead.
You don't actually think that do you?
 


Smirko

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Big backlash in the states growing against this one sided, misguided report. They didn't even speak to one senior CIA official...!
 


drew

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Big backlash in the states growing against this one sided, misguided report. They didn't even speak to one senior CIA official...!


Edit:
Just looking at the report, they do comment as follows :-

Any links to substantiate that?The breadth of documentary material on which the Study relied and which the
Committee Study cites is unprecedented. While the Committee did not interview
CIA officials in the context of the Committee Study, it had access to and drew
from the interviews of numerous CIA officials conducted by the CIA's Inspector
General and the CIA Oral History program on subjects that lie at the heart of the
Committee Study, as well as past testimony to the Committee.


So, they might not have interviewed a senior CIA official but then would that be the same officials that with held evidence and destroyed video evidence.
 


Guy Fawkes

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If what they did makes one 'terrorist' think again then that's ok with me.

Couldn't this inspire radicalisation leading to far more people becoming terrorists as a consequence?, or if not that extreme, to develop anti-western values?
 




shaolinpunk

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Couldn't this inspire far more to become terrorists as a consequence?, or if not that extreme, to develop anti-western values?

I heard a quote from a teenager - I think it was mentioned on John Oliver's show - about being afraid of sunny weather because clear skies mean drone strikes.

If living in fear of BLUE SKIES like that doesn't foster anti-western extremist attitudes then I don't know what will.
 




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