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Shropshire Seagull

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2004
8,496
Telford
If the vote to leave were to be "yes" would this make us ineligible for the European Song contest?

Or would we be forced to remain in the competition with our estranged European cousins in an Australia-like wild card?

Similarly, would we no longer be eligible to contest the European football tournament?

This may affect people's vote - we need to know ....
 




J

jamesy's

Member
Mar 3, 2009
41
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future.
 


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TheJasperCo

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2012
4,590
Exeter
I read a BBC article a few weeks ago where a contributor asked that exact question. It's entitled "EU Referendum: everything you need to know".

The EU has nothing to do with Eurovision, so our status would not be affected. Unfortunately.
 


S

sussex_guy2k2

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2014
3,727
jamesy's said:
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future.
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So, to answer his questions. Yes, we could still stay in the European Song Contest. And yes, we would still participate in the Euros.
 


gripper stebson

gripper stebson

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
6,657
jamesy's said:
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future.
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So what you're basically saying that if we leave Farage and Boris will ban the use of paragraphs?

Scum.
 






jackanada

jackanada

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2011
3,156
Brighton
"the UK will benefit to the tune of billions the first year we leave."
That is not a fact but an opinion. An opinion the vast majority of economists disagree with.
 


Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
30,557
jamesy's said:
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future.
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Back in my youth I could read paragraphs like that.
 




lawros left foot

lawros left foot

Glory hunting since 1969
Jun 11, 2011
13,703
Worthing
jackanada said:
"the UK will benefit to the tune of billions the first year we leave."
That is not a fact but an opinion. An opinion the vast majority of economists disagree with.
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The pound has taken another pounding today, the shape of things to come?
Still, Our Nige thinks that's a good thing
 




jackanada

jackanada

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2011
3,156
Brighton
You might not have bothered but you do regularly get a chance to vote in European elections. Much like our parliament the European one also relies on civil servants who are not voted for.
 




Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,195
What i would like to know is what we can currently veto and what we can't? (sorry if this has been covered several times already)

If we vote out but still end up with a free movement of labour deal, etc.... like we have now as the only way to get trade deal and access to the European markets, will we be worse off because we have lost that veto power elsewhere or are our current veto agreements only concerning other areas which will no longer apply anyway is we vote to leave?

(Don't know if this was covered in the long post earlier or in the other threads as far too much to read through in the hope that it has been asked and answered already)
 


Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,195
jackanada said:
You might not have bothered but you do regularly get a chance to vote in European elections. Much like our parliament the European one also relies on civil servants who are not voted for.
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I think that a lot of peoples concerns are that we have little say in things, even with those voting powers.

If the EU decided that all countries in Europe had to drive on the right hand side of the road (that way all cars could be produced as RHD) there are enough countries with RHD already who could vote for it and our opposition would count for nothing as it would then become a European directive (ie. law) that we would have to follow despite our population not wanting it.

They may never decide to introduce such a thing but its the possibility of such measures being forced that makes people concerned enough to question whether we should stay or go. (National sovereignty and the ability to decide our own laws as decided by those who are voted in on their manifesto pledges vs unelected individuals creating these potential laws or vote by elected representatives from across Europe where we can be outvoted every time and have things we don't want forced upon us, but get free movement, tariff free trading, etc in return)

A lot of the other stuff raised as a reason to stay could still be introduced here even if we left if there was a desire to have it here anyway (Human rights act, anti-discrimination, etc) Just because we are outside doesn't mean we wouldn't or couldn't adopt it anyway.

If we vote to leave we could still end up where we are now with a lot of the things in place that was the reason for voting out in the first place (immigration, etc) but less able to shape future policy meaning things like RHD could become even more likely (as a random example)
 


M

Maldini

Banned
Aug 19, 2015
927
Shropshire Seagull said:
If the vote to leave were to be "yes" would this make us ineligible for the European Song contest?

Or would we be forced to remain in the competition with our estranged European cousins in an Australia-like wild card?

Similarly, would we no longer be eligible to contest the European football tournament?

This may affect people's vote - we need to know ....
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Leaving the EU would enforce our position in the Eurovision Song Contest,not weaken it.As it is the EU love to use this competition to remind us they hate us.When we leave on June 23rd they will want to show their hate even more so no chance of us getting kicked out.
 




P

Postman Pat

Well-known member
Jul 24, 2007
6,971
Coldean
Maldini said:
Leaving the EU would enforce our position in the Eurovision Song Contest,not weaken it.As it is the EU love to use this competition to remind us they hate us.When we leave on June 23rd they will want to show their hate even more so no chance of us getting kicked out.
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Isn't it about time they stuffed us into the qualifying competition to really put us in our place?
 


RustyKent

RustyKent

Well-known member
Jun 2, 2014
597
Herne Bay
Guy Fawkes said:
I think that a lot of peoples concerns are that we have little say in things, even with those voting powers.

If the EU decided that all countries in Europe had to drive on the right hand side of the road (that way all cars could be produced as RHD) there are enough countries with RHD already who could vote for it and our opposition would count for nothing as it would then become a European directive (ie. law) that we would have to follow despite our population not wanting it.

They may never decide to introduce such a thing but its the possibility of such measures being forced that makes people concerned enough to question whether we should stay or go. (National sovereignty and the ability to decide our own laws as decided by those who are voted in on their manifesto pledges vs unelected individuals creating these potential laws or vote by elected representatives from across Europe where we can be outvoted every time and have things we don't want forced upon us, but get free movement, tariff free trading, etc in return)

A lot of the other stuff raised as a reason to stay could still be introduced here even if we left if there was a desire to have it here anyway (Human rights act, anti-discrimination, etc) Just because we are outside doesn't mean we wouldn't or couldn't adopt it anyway.

If we vote to leave we could still end up where we are now with a lot of the things in place that was the reason for voting out in the first place (immigration, etc) but less able to shape future policy meaning things like RHD could become even more likely (as a random example)
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Blimey, do you Really believe that?
 


RossyG

RossyG

Well-known member
Dec 20, 2014
2,630
Shropshire Seagull said:
If the vote to leave were to be "yes" would this make us ineligible for the European Song contest?

Or would we be forced to remain in the competition with our estranged European cousins in an Australia-like wild card?

Similarly, would we no longer be eligible to contest the European football tournament?

This may affect people's vote - we need to know ....
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We're voting on leaving the EU, not the European Broadcasting Union or UEFA. Switzerland are members of both the EBU and UEFA and, luckily for them, are not members of the EU. Hopefully nor will the UK after this month.
 










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