clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,297
It's news because a black women has had to move seat to placate a man shouting racist abuse. No surprise it's been picked up widely by the American press who had similar problems with buses in the 50s.
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[News] Ryan Air Racist
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It's news because a black women has had to move seat to placate a man shouting racist abuse. No surprise it's been picked up widely by the American press who had similar problems with buses in the 50s.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,290
surely what was in the video, the mans insults and the attitude of the attendent, are enough?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The man who filmed the incident has been on BBC Breakfast this morning. He filmed it because he said this has been going on for decades.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,102
Depends what outcome you want I suppose.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It is a crime to insult someone because of their ethnicity. It's nothing to do with wanting any sort of outcome.
The anger is because Ryanair made the woman move, and placated the man. That's why many many people are saying they will boycott Ryanair.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,102
And all power to them, I fully agree that she should not have been moved and he should have been removed from the plane. What we saw in that video was simply not on. However, I am also interested to know if he wanted her to move because she was black or if he was using racial insults during an argument.
Before we know what further punishment should be laid on this bloke I think we should know the full story, his background and possibly mental state. How else can we make a fully informed decision?
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They weren't (in the 1950s)
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Why does a nasty person have to have mental issues? That's as insulting to those who are suffering mental illnesses, as using skin colour.
It takes two to argue, and I don't hear much from the woman at all. She is trying to sit down, in the seat near him, not even right next to him. He doesn't want her anywhere near him.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,102
I didn't say he had mental issues I just suggested the possibility. His reaction seems to me to be way over the top so it makes me wonder if there is more to the story.
I am really struggling to see what is wrong with the idea of getting all the facts before passing judgement on this bloke?
I despair at reactions like this (not you - the 'many people').
The Ryanair cabin crew member has, by the looks of things, handled this really badly. Under pressure to get everyone sat down, with the minimum fuss, and the plane in the air, presumably - but he still had to make a call - and he made a very poor one.
But he is one member of staff, acting on the spot. People react like it is a corporate policy - like Michael O'Leary himself has instructed all staff, to remove any unfortunate black people who manage to sneak their way onto his planes.
Ryanair corporately, should absolutely be judged harshly, if their response to this incident is inadequate / inappropriate. Mass boycotts, falling share prices, and staff losing their livelihoods, over one spur of the moment bad call, by a single member of staff, would be a completely disproportionate response.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It's interesting from a legal point of view. The incident happened in Barcelona, and as the passenger wasn't arrested by the Spanish police, he may get away with it.
Ryanair is a Dublin based company. They have reported it to Essex police, as the plane landed at Stansted.
The Standard's article explains it more clearly.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...t-due-to-aviation-laws-mp-warns-a3967601.html
Ryanair is a Dublin based company. They have reported it to Essex police, as the plane landed at Stansted.
The Standard's article explains it more clearly.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...t-due-to-aviation-laws-mp-warns-a3967601.html
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Read the article, and watch the video I posted just now in post 52. It explains a lot more.
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 14,836
I get what you're saying, but there were at least three other people already talking to him. Another voice wouldn't have added much, IMO. In fact it might have been the tipping point that WOULD meant it escalated into something you can get in trouble for.
Personally, the more people that see the video of the daft racist and read about what happened, the better.
Arthur
Well-known member
That's the trouble with public transport......the public are on it. The bucket airlines do seem to attract a lower quality of passenger.
Tomorrows chip papers though. I'm sure the "boycott" won't last long.
Tomorrows chip papers though. I'm sure the "boycott" won't last long.
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
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Arthur
Well-known member
Or just people who don't want to pay out the nose for a two hour flight
Absolutely. Myself included in fact I booked a Ryanair flight this morning (£31 return to Cologne).
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
- 12,307
Never been to Cologne; definitely on the list!
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Caused entirely by Ryanair.An old lady with disabilities like hers should have been seated with the stewards,as her lack of movement is a hazard to all the other passengers.Doesn't excuse the man's disgusting behaviour though.