pearl
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that seems to tie in with what my work colleagues say, one gets help for their child because they are really finding school a struggle, another gets no help because their child isn't struggling enough. Their words not mine
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[News] Should Having Asperger's Syndrome Be A Valid Get Out Of Jail Card?
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that seems to tie in with what my work colleagues say, one gets help for their child because they are really finding school a struggle, another gets no help because their child isn't struggling enough. Their words not mine
Like a lot of science there are different opinions and different opinion leaders. I would interpret the “London town specialist doc” as in his opinion.
Whitechapel
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“A white supremacist who plotted a machete attack on people at a gay pride event has been convicted of a terror offence.”
Is it really that difficult to see what he’s done wrong? Would you struggle to see what he’d done wrong if he’d been brown and had a foreign name?
KZNSeagull
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My eldest son has an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. The one thing that he loves, as do many high functioning autistic people, is rules. He has never given us any trouble nor got into any trouble, as we have always given him rules as to what he can and cannot do. If he is unclear about something he always asks. He is extremely socially inept and this is something that we are working on with him now which is rather challenging for everyone. He has no friends, desperately wants friends but does not have a clue as to how to go about getting them.
But does he know the difference between right and wrong? Absolutely and I would expect all other high functioning autistic people to be the same (assuming, of course, that they have been given the rule for a certain situation). So no, my opinion is that is not a get out of jail card per se but I very much doubt that any autistic person would be able to cope in prison. I know that my son wouldn't be able to - he hardly copes with going away on holiday!
But does he know the difference between right and wrong? Absolutely and I would expect all other high functioning autistic people to be the same (assuming, of course, that they have been given the rule for a certain situation). So no, my opinion is that is not a get out of jail card per se but I very much doubt that any autistic person would be able to cope in prison. I know that my son wouldn't be able to - he hardly copes with going away on holiday!
pearl
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btnbelle
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Possibly the Human Rights Act may have been used to make this judgement.
Lauri Love's life would be taken, if sent to USA. Even if it is at his own hand.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-2-right-life
Lauri Love's life would be taken, if sent to USA. Even if it is at his own hand.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-2-right-life
sussex_guy2k2
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Sounds like everyone on the Undateables.
GT49er
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I don't think Asperger's comes into it as far as the verdicts are concerned; it may partly explain why the individuals took the actions they took, but does not excuse them. However, the decision not to extradite is justified by the American sentence. The hacking may have mightily pissed off the yanks, but 99 years is vindictiveness, not justice. And as for planning to chop up people at a gay convention - well, yes, it's criminal (even oop north).
Baker lite
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Do the crime,do the time.I certainly hope our Government have the nuts(very much doubt it)to bang this individual up.
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BadFish
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I have read that many in the Autism community fell that the idea of ‘everyone being a bit autistic’ devalues their experiences and the crap that they have to go through. Although i would argue that their is a spectrum between high functioning autism and the full on no communication/interaction version that some people have.
My boy has Asperger’s and it has caused problems and stress for our entire family. It is not simply a lack of social skills,although that is a big part of it. You really need to add it heightened sensory processes that can cause melt downs/panic attacks in loud, bright, smelly etc places. This also includes physical and emotional reactions to stress which when coupled with high anxiety which he also has his emotional regulation must be constantly monitored. At 13 he is just about managing to do this himself but up until now he has needed to do this himself. IN his most stressful situation, school, he has needed a teacher to do this (no funding for assistance at school) and if the teacher has not had the skills, understanding or willingness (sometimes this comes down to a belief in his diagnosis) his school days have been a disaster.
The lack of social skills is a complete lack of understanding of the world around him. From idioms and sayings that people use to facial reactions to having no clue how to interact with others and make friends. The more stressed he gets the worse this is and his decision making is clouded to the point that he doesn’t remember what he does. This often results in an obsession with one person who cops it when he is in ‘defence mode’ (deep in an autisic rage so to speak).
I was blogging about our experiences for a time. I will add it to this post.
http://viewfromasperia.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/first-post.html?m=1
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BadFish
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Sorry to hear about your boy. Mine is the same in regards to friends and not knowing how to make them.
Sadly he is different when it comes to rules. He knows them and likes them but they go straight out the window when he is over whelmed either by stress or sensory input. He reverts to fight or flight and had got into lots of trouble because of it.
Self regulation is something we have been working on for years with endless OTs psychologists etc etc but it is slow going. It still only takes a combative teacher to send him off track.
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KZNSeagull
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I am sorry to hear that. Are you mainstreaming him? We did up to the age of 13 and were very lucky in that we found a school where we were in South Africa that were very sympathetic and bent over backwards to help him. Since then, it has been a struggle and he has either been to special schools or we have home schooled him. So in certain respects, we have kept him away from situations that we knew would stress him out. It remains to be seen whether this was the best approach or not! Sounds like you could do with some sympathetic teachers though. Good luck with it all - it is certainly a challenge for everyone.
He is wrong. Of course you either have it or you don’t but tell the rest to teachers of additional need children with the condition.
Thanks for sharing, interesting read and I can relate to a number of things that you’ve written about in your blog. Did you find it helpful for you personally to put it in writing?
Both of my boys are now diagnosed with ASD and the youngest also with ADHD, so school and home life can be a challenge. The school have been as supportive as their budget will allow but a successful day for us now is not judged on academic achievement but surviving without any meltdown from either of them.. Eldest off to secondary school in September, which we’re absolutely dreading and working hard on transition with him currently!
For me this season in the Premier League has really pricked their interest in the Albion and my happiest times are taking them down to the Amex to watch the football, as you can no doubt imagine they ask the strangest questions about the match and the opposition but the retain it all. The eldest absolutely loves Lewis Dunk and we spent 2 hours waiting out in the cold at the Christmas party to meet him. There was absolutely no way he was going home until he’d met his hero and so when we finally got his autograph and a photo, the sheer unadulterated joy in his face brought a tear to my eyes.
To get back to the OP, no it’s not a get out of jail card but I think it certainly should enter the the thought process, in this instance I think it’s absolutely right that he stands trial in the UK and serves any punishment here. I’d be absolutely mortified if my son was sent to the US where if you watched the Chris Packham programme recently - their views and treatment of ASD were quite scary to say the least....
beorhthelm
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nonsense, you're suggesting that if the maximum sentance was 10 yrs (as it is here) he'd have just surrendered to the US authorities? the decision not to extradite is on the premise he couldnt cope with prison due to his condition. if a non-Asperger's person committed the same they couldnt use that defense and would be off on the next flight heard he's talking about using his power for good now, apparently no case to answer from the CPS?
BadFish
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Yes we are still in the mainstream, the school he is at are fantastic with him on the most part. we have spent a lot of time working with them so they understand his particular issues and challenges. We have just started school this year but by the end of last year his only issue were when he was interacting with people who didn't know him and were keen to take him on, escalate and win the conflict between them.
To be honest I am not sure what will happen in the future but he is a bright lad and at the moment he is in a frame of mind where he can focus on his studies.
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BadFish
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Yes I found it very helpful in processing the events of the day. I tried to highlight the positives while still talking about the stresses and strains. I have always found it so hard to explain the way things are because you hear a lot of 'yeah my kid does that too' one of the posts tries to explain that although many kids do these things with ours it is constant and the norm and extremely exhausting and draining.
I know exactly what you mean about school, our definition of a good day was no phone call from school for a long time. Any email from the school or phone was an instant blood pressure raiser. My wife would see the number and ignore the call so she could get a message and some info before she spoke to anyone.
he started at Secondary school last year and the first half of the year was business as usual but things improved in the second half. We were deliberately 'pain in the arse parents' and made sure shit was done and people were learning. We found that his head of year (and our suggested contact) didn't get it but the assistant Principal did. We just made the assistant principal our contact and worked through her to get the message to the teachers. the real tipping point I think was organising a huge meeting at school, i think there were 17 people in the room from Head and assistant head, well being officers , my wife and i and our crew of psychologists, Ot's etc etc. We sat for two hours and worked out a number of really good strategies, most of which had already been suggested but there is nothing like everyone being in the same room.
Things are good at the moment and he is concentrating on his studies. I was terrified to write that sentence and felt the foreboding of another crap day when when i did
good luck with it all, if you ever need to vent to someone feel free to message me. I had better d some work now
GT49er
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He's accepted the possibility of a trial in a British court possibly resulting in a prison sentence. Punishment is one thing; vindictiveness (as in 99 years) is something else altogether. So, rubbish to your comment, rather than mine then. Glad the courts have got it right this time, for once.
To be fair, this isn't 'science'. It is medicine (which is NOT a 'science') and the laws, both of which, as you say, are open to interpretation. Science, by contrast, is a method of examining a hypothesis....
99 years! The Yanks really are an egotistical bunch.