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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Blue Valkyrie

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Sep 1, 2012
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First I have heard of a Canada +++ deal, I would take that too.
Canada ( with however many plusses ) doesn't have an Irish border.

May has to resolve this issue ( not with unproven rechnology ) and then Canada with many plusses can be done.

May's disasterous election, meaning the DUP money tree had to come out, made Canada billion plusses much more difficult.
 
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Canada ( with however many plusses ) doesn't have an Irish border.

May has to resolve this issue ( not with unproven rechnology ) and then Canada with many plusses can be done.

May's disasterous election, meaning the DUP money tree had to come out, made Canada billion plusses much more difficult.

Let's hope something can be sorted out.
 

The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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Leavers are petrified of keeping FoM. The whole reason they voted was to stop foreigners coming to the UK and what a waste of time and effort it would be if that didn’t happen.
 

Garry Nelson's teacher

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May 11, 2015
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Canada ( with however many plusses ) doesn't have an Irish border.

May has to resolve this issue ( not with unproven rechnology ) and then Canada with many plusses can be done.

May's disasterous election, meaning the DUP money tree had to come out, made Canada billion plusses much more difficult.

I heard an interview with one of the Canadian negotiators on their EU deal. I think we have to accept that


a) he knows of what he speaks

b) he is not a Remainer

c) he is not a member of the UK establishment


Indeed it's quite possible that he knows more about these sorts of deals than all the rest of us on this thread added together + Liam Fox + Boris Johnson + Dom Raab (thought I throw in a +++)


My takeaway from listening to this was mainly 'by Christ that sounds tricky' (a general impression) and (more specifically) that if the EU made this deal with us and we made it with them (yes, I know I'm slow) then subsequent room for manoeuvre for other deals might be limited. In other words, the idea that we could sign this and then go out and do all sorts of other deals (which has never really convinced me anyway - but that's another matter) might well be constrained by the terms of the Canada type deal. Also he was quite sceptical of the potential of the +++ variant.


In short I think that - in the old saying - the devil will be in the detail.
 


Westdene Seagull

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Oct 27, 2003
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Leavers are petrified of keeping FoM. The whole reason they voted was to stop foreigners coming to the UK and what a waste of time and effort it would be if that didn’t happen.

Not the reason I voted leave.
 

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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There's a whole load of people on here who agree with Plooks that leaving the EU, doesn't mean leaving the single market or giving up FOM

 


The Clamp

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There's a whole load of people on here who agree with Plooks that leaving the EU, doesn't mean leaving the single market or giving up FOM


Posted before by someone. Conveniently ignored by Leavers. Typically. Cowards afraid to face the truth.
 

Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,093
Surrey
Not the reason I voted leave.
It's interesting to hear how many of the more intelligent Brexiteers often talk about having their own reasons for leaving, and to be honest I quite like some of the arguments that are proposed by such people.

That said, it is for this reason that I do get annoyed when other Brexit people (and it's always the simpletons on here) express outrage when there is consideration given for quitting the EU but staying in a customs union, or staying under ECJ jurisdiction or whatever. None of that was on the ballot paper, so these people think they speak for ALL Brexiteers rather than themselves. They don't.
 

WATFORD zero

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I believe the big business of the european union are frustrated too that their side seems not a great deal nearer a negotiated outcome than it was in 2016 either. I hear they are pushing the EU to stop messing with their economies and make a deal with the UK.

One thing the last 2 years has proven. They definitely need us more than we need them :rolleyes:
 


Westdene Seagull

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Oct 27, 2003
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It's interesting to hear how many of the more intelligent Brexiteers often talk about having their own reasons for leaving, and to be honest I quite like some of the arguments that are proposed by such people.

That said, it is for this reason that I do get annoyed when other Brexit people (and it's always the simpletons on here) express outrage when there is consideration given for quitting the EU but staying in a customs union, or staying under ECJ jurisdiction or whatever. None of that was on the ballot paper, so these people think they speak for ALL Brexiteers rather than themselves. They don't.

Indeed. And it riles me that I'm somehow lumped in with racists or, heaven forbid, 2 Profs. My reasons were far more about the reach of the EU and the rush to an EU superstate. Give me the 'Common Market' back and I'd vote stay.
 

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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BMW advising there will be 18000+ job loses if it a no deal

All in Germany, they are pressuring Merkel. Other big firms also joining in 150k jobs at risk if no deal to the great German empire. All to do with loss of exports

There will certainly be a negative impact on the EU if Britain go 'no deal'. Where is this being reported at the moment?

On a link added by someone yesterday about guy whathisname. You have to scroll through some drivel though




No don't avoid the question. You stated 1m job losses. Please advise where these will be seeing as your taking glee in others misfortune to prove a point

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Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,093
Surrey
Indeed. And it riles me that I'm somehow lumped in with racists or, heaven forbid, 2 Profs. My reasons were far more about the reach of the EU and the rush to an EU superstate. Give me the 'Common Market' back and I'd vote stay.
The problem is that there is a large rump of pro-Brexit people who really are fcking stupid - I'd happily name check them on here but there are too many of them. Compounding this, it is certainly a fact that on average, you were more likely to vote leave the less educated you are:

http://www.statsguy.co.uk/brexit-voting-and-education/

(Note this clearly that doesn't mean ALL educated people voted remain, and it also doesn't mean that all uneducated people are stupid and vice-versa):

Sure, there are some clowns in the pro-remain camp too, but their stupidity only tends to manifest itself in lumping all Brexiteers as one stupid mass. (It is laughable reading the one person on here who does that a lot as he is certainly intellectually inferior to a fair few of them - something clear to everyone but himself)
 

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Indeed. And it riles me that I'm somehow lumped in with racists or, heaven forbid, 2 Profs. My reasons were far more about the reach of the EU and the rush to an EU superstate. Give me the 'Common Market' back and I'd vote stay.

I know that you've explained this a number of times before, but given where we are it looks like either a supersoft Norway type model or a 'no deal'. In the past, you have said that you think, given that choice, that 'no deal' was worth the cost to get that independence.

How long would you think the economic impact of 'no deal' would take to turn around ?
 

Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,093
Surrey
I know that you've explained this a number of times before, but given where we are it looks like either a supersoft Norway type model or a 'no deal'. In the past, you have said that you think, given that choice, that 'no deal' was worth the cost to get that independence.

How long would you think the economic impact of 'no deal' would take to turn around ?

Good question. It's also worth bearing in mind that the only people so flippantly suggesting "no deal" is fine are utter twats like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg. Are some Brexiteers still so deluded that they'll believe these two are men of the people rather than simply so absolutely minted that they won't be touched by mental vanity projects?
 

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
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The arse end of Hangleton
I know that you've explained this a number of times before, but given where we are it looks like either a supersoft Norway type model or a 'no deal'. In the past, you have said that you think, given that choice, that 'no deal' was worth the cost to get that independence.

How long would you think the economic impact of 'no deal' would take to turn around ?

I'm touched that you think I have all the answers ..... maybe I should replace Raab ? In answer to your question - no idea - I'm not an economist.
 


WATFORD zero

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I'm touched that you think I have all the answers ..... maybe I should replace Raab ? In answer to your question - no idea - I'm not an economist.

Cop out :wink:

It's interesting that both you and [MENTION=25]Gwylan[/MENTION], as two of the more lucid Brexiteers on here, probably represent two vastly contrasting views on Brexit with you going for 'no deal' and him going for the Norway style Brexit. The fact that you then both believe a United Ireland is a solution to the NI/Ireland issue, just shows the nuances involved.

And given the pair of you both had to tick the same box as Two Profs and Ppf, it was never going to work out well was it ?
 

Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,093
Surrey
I'm touched that you think I have all the answers ..... maybe I should replace Raab ? In answer to your question - no idea - I'm not an economist.
Unlike the people at "The Economist", who have concluded Brexit is a nonsensical folly and a "no deal" one would be particularly disastrous. They are even sympathetic to endorsing a Labour party run by extreme socialists if there is a chance of reversing it and suggest that even some wealthy people in this country might arrive at the same conclusion.

Anyway, I think that says all you need to know about the implications of a no deal Brexit, even if you agree with the concept of some other sort of Brexit.
 

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