Because he thought there was a shilling or two left probably.
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Goodbye Goldstone Meridian Debate Video
- Thread starter philgull25
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Because he thought there was a shilling or two left probably.
symyjym
Banned
As I said in an earlier comment "My only interest in this is what the actual alternatives were, not the personal conflict. "
http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...Debate-Video&p=8068642&viewfull=1#post8068642
I will check the book out but the basics have to make sense too. There are lots of things that we all don't know about running a club 20 years ago. Which is why I am talking about the alternative options we had at the time, not specifically about what Archer did.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
The alternatives were shown to be completely unviable during the planning enquiry for Falmer for various reasons. Numerous links via google...
http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/con...t.com/showthread.php?39859-New-public-enquiry ad infinitum
See also the Ed Bassford tribute threads on NSC for further links to the planning enquiry somewhere
http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/con...t.com/showthread.php?39859-New-public-enquiry ad infinitum
See also the Ed Bassford tribute threads on NSC for further links to the planning enquiry somewhere
Jam The Man
Well-known member
Fair enough. I agree, having had my own exposure to what goes on 'in the background' of football clubs around 12 years or so ago (for better and for worse!)... so yes it's important to gain as much info as you can about the whole scenario.
Have fun!
I think it was out of pure spite. For example, he'd go away on holiday when he was meant to be finalising the sale. He dragged his feet out of revenge to the fans who took direct action against him in my opinion.
symyjym
Banned
Link doesn't work.
I can't really search on NSC for specific details but I seem to remember the water table and the tunnel being too close to the stop being an issue. However this is more just down to our Brighton Council being the Brighton Council more than it being unviable. If the water table was such an issue, the A23 would be under water every time it rained.
Bevendean Hillbilly
New member
Bloody hell.. what a great find.
Took me right back. Great to see that Bournemouth were represented there as a much smaller club than us, and now look at us both.
When I think back to those dark days and all of the despair and misery it seems like a totally different planet.
If I was a JCL, one of those who stood back and shrugged...right up to the withdean era and then deciding to jump aboard as the foundations of Falmer went in Id be looking at myself in the mirror with a tad of self loathing.
Obviously we needed the new fans to fill our lovely new stadium but there's a lot of the new intake (kids excluded...I'm talking about the ones 30 plus) who should watch these videos and think on. Where were you when we were shit.
Took me right back. Great to see that Bournemouth were represented there as a much smaller club than us, and now look at us both.
When I think back to those dark days and all of the despair and misery it seems like a totally different planet.
If I was a JCL, one of those who stood back and shrugged...right up to the withdean era and then deciding to jump aboard as the foundations of Falmer went in Id be looking at myself in the mirror with a tad of self loathing.
Obviously we needed the new fans to fill our lovely new stadium but there's a lot of the new intake (kids excluded...I'm talking about the ones 30 plus) who should watch these videos and think on. Where were you when we were shit.
Sorry mate. That is all bollocks.
I can sympathise with your musings but I'd give it a rest. I work with psychopaths (very common in the unregulated world of medical reearch, where the only measure of esteem is the ability to raise research income, and few findings are verified by replication). The successful ones mostly escape notice, which is how they succeed. A good psychopath, as Machiavelli explained in The Prince, only kills people (and things like football clubs) when it is necessary (in his mind). But they do kill, and our club was in his sights. There is nothing of any virtue in the man, because he was a self-serving ****, willing to do anything he could get away with to make a shilling.
The alternative was placing the club into receivership. But even that wasn't possible at the time.
My understanding is that it was July 1995 when it was discovered that the ground had been sold, and that the Article of Association had been changed in 1993 not long after Archer & Stanley took over the club.
If Archer had honorable intentions, the club should have been placed into receivership in 1993, before the meddling with the club's constitution.
But obviously the Club was then a viable entity. It's income covered it's debt payments.
The club's debt crisis had worsened considerably leading up to 95/97. That would have been the responsibility of Archer and Stanley and they should have paid for that debt increase, with their own money writing off the 800K they'd put into the club.
If the club was placed into receivership in 1997 it probably would have ceased to exist, because the ground had been sold some 2-4 years previously.
Edit : another thought, if they'd already sold the ground some years earlier, how long were the club still servicing the large debt after the agreed sale, how long did it take for the sale to become unconditional and Chartwell gain possession ?
Imagine you discovered that a relative had decided to sell your house from under you to a friend of their's who were happy to land bank it, 2 years before you'd found out. And had changed your name on the title deed.
Their explanation being, we decided to sell your house because your mortgage was to high, we had this nice bit of land we could get cheap to build you a new house, but it wasn't until after we sold your house we discovered we couldn't get planning permission, and over the last 2 years the market has picked up so now you haven't even got a deposit to buy else where.
We kept the surplus because of the money we had previously lent to you, that had increased owing to the high interest rate we charged you.
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Brighton council were never against us having a new stadium. When we applied for planning permission in 2002, it was passed by11 votes to 1. The government called it in for a public enquiry because Falmer was in an area of outstanding natural beauty, at the time. The AONB was designated before thr unis were built, & was going to re-designated when the South Downs national park was granted, but objections were lodged in the interim by Falmer parish council and Lewes district council.
Brighton council were never to blame. When the Goldstone was sold, it was at the time of Hove council, before 2000, when we became a city.
There were no alternatives, but there were lots of lies & false promises so the money could be obtained.
You clearly don't know the story as you seem to be re-writing it.
ROSM
Well-known member
Please read what i wrote. We were not under external pressure to sell the ground. The debt only became called upon because of the sale
Dick Swiveller
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- Sep 9, 2011
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Over 6000 views. I knew I should have added an ad. I could have bought an Albion Hat-trick lottery ticket or something with the proceeds. I could be getting free entry to the Sea Life Centre as we speak.
Hindsight is such a fickle mistress.
Hindsight is such a fickle mistress.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
I think you should be recouping from Lombard Direct and Neurofen, those mid 90s ads definitely got me itching for my wallet...Over 6000 views. I knew I should have added an ad. I could have bought an Albion Hat-trick lottery ticket or something with the proceeds. I could be getting free entry to the Sea Life Centre as we speak.
Hindsight is such a fickle mistress.
Shame that Lombard Direct went under back in 2009... there's that fickle friend again.
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Dick Swiveller
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- Sep 9, 2011
- 9,156
Without wanting to go all Timmy Clickbait, It saddens me that this video has more than 2 times the views of my Fans United videos that tell the story of the last 2 years of the Goldstone through local news reports. There is also Lord B on the Politics show and a raft of season reviews and other videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb6icaJZIU_giMN4v4yiR4w/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0
I feel dirty pushing my channel but this thread shows that my original links were missed by quite a few. They aren't ad supported and I'm not looking for clicks/numbers but it is a way of showing people who missed the original links a chance to see stuff they might be interested in. And feel free to ignore the retro computer stuff!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb6icaJZIU_giMN4v4yiR4w/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0
I feel dirty pushing my channel but this thread shows that my original links were missed by quite a few. They aren't ad supported and I'm not looking for clicks/numbers but it is a way of showing people who missed the original links a chance to see stuff they might be interested in. And feel free to ignore the retro computer stuff!