[Albion] The Labour party and anti-Semitism

The Birdman · Mar 27, 2018

Red on Red love it.

Buzzer · Mar 27, 2018

The Merry Prankster said:
I think this is really unfair. The Party has expelled him. Corbyn has no control over these othe groups neither does the Party. There is a huge backlog of complaints in the Party which is entirely due to the Right having abused the system to keep members from being eligible to vote for Corbyn.

One of the things that really concerns me at the moment across the political spectrum is abuse of process and the rule of law. The Labour Party does need to deal with anti-semetism, having said I’d never come across it I had to report someone for it yesterday (and came up against some staggering ignorance where he was unaware that what he was saying was hugely anti-Semitic). He’ll be suspended and wait 18 months for a hearing when he’ll be expelled and people will moan about how long it took and how Corbyn doesn’t take it seriously when the whole system is bunged up by people who have abandoned decency (for want of better word) and think that winning at all and any cost is what matters.

Keable is a senior member of Labour against the Witch-hunt. A group that carries the party name. He's heavily involved with JVL, someone expelled for anti-Semitism and no-one seems bothered with his continued association with a group that is supposed to represent Jewish Labour supporters. He's secretary of Labour Party Marxists, an associated party that are given some privileges that he continues to enjoy and most tellingly he's still the main Momentum representative in Hammermith.

So what exactly has he been expelled from apart from voting rights?

To the average person seeing him at the counter demonstration wearing Labour badges and standing alongside Labour Party members he is giving the appearance of being a Labour Party member. And he's still spouting his racist nonsense.

Are you okay with that? Do you really think that the Party is powerless to stop his campaigning for Momentum, JVL, having access to meetings through the LPM and using the party's name in his group?

The Merry Prankster · Mar 27, 2018

Buzzer said:
Keable is a senior member of Labour against the Witch-hunt. A group that carries the party name. He's heavily involved with JVL, someone expelled for anti-Semitism and no-one seems bothered with his continued association with a group that is supposed to represent Jewish Labour supporters. He's secretary of Labour Party Marxists, an associated party that are given some privileges that he continues to enjoy and most tellingly he's still the main Momentum representative in Hammermith.

So what exactly has he been expelled from apart from voting rights?

To the average person seeing him at the counter demonstration wearing Labour badges and standing alongside Labour Party members he is giving the appearance of being a Labour Party member. And he's still spouting his racist nonsense.

Are you okay with that? Do you really think that the Party is powerless to stop his campaigning for Momentum, JVL, having access to meetings through the LPM and using the party's name in his group?

No, I’m absolutely not okay with this. He shouldn’t be a Momentum member let alone a representative. You have to be a member of the Labour Party to be a Momentum member so clearly, according to their/our rules, he should be out. BUT Corbyn can’t expell him. I’ve no idea of the constitution of the other groups but I suspect that Corbyn has no say in them either. If these groups are bringing the Party into disrepute and (I’ve no idea here) Labour have some proprietary rights over the name Labour then it’s up to the NEC not Corbyn to do something about it. It’s worth noting that Corbyn has only had the NEC under his control for a couple of months and the Party machinery for a couple of weeks but somehow it’s all his fault.

Eeyore · Mar 27, 2018

Buzzer said:
There's a simple answer to that. Labour get their house in order and stamp out all this blatant anti-Semitism that has absolutely nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict. They can then sit down with the Zionists lobby to try to thrash things out safe in the knowledge that they've got the moral high ground. Don't go calling people your friend if they're in the habit of saying that Jews drink the blood of Gentiles. Don't keep people in your party if they've got a problem with the universally accepted definition of the word holocaust. Don't let your social media forums become a place where conspiracy theories about Jewish bankers controlling the world are seriously debated and defended. That sort of thing.

That would be a start.

Agreed.

But on a personal level, having tried to delineate between concerns about the Israel/Palestinian conflict and thus been described as racist for the first time in my life, despite admiration for the courage and culture of the Jewish race, I can see why some people are getting tetchy about being swept up in these accusations.

Buzzer · Mar 27, 2018

The Merry Prankster said:
No, I’m absolutely not okay with this. He shouldn’t be a Momentum member let alone a representative. You have to be a member of the Labour Party to be a Momentum member so clearly, according to their/our rules, he should be out. BUT Corbyn can’t expell him. I’ve no idea of the constitution of the other groups but I suspect that Corbyn has no say in them either. If these groups are bringing the Party into disrepute and (I’ve no idea here) Labour have some proprietary rights over the name Labour then it’s up to the NEC not Corbyn to do something about it. It’s worth noting that Corbyn has only had the NEC under his control for a couple of months and the Party machinery for a couple of weeks but somehow it’s all his fault.

It doesn't have to be Corbyn. It's usually the Party Secretary who deals with this isn't it?

I don't understand why a diktat can't be issued ordering party members to cease any political campaigning with expelled members or risk being disciplined or the relevant groups threatened with disassociation.

There is a precedent here. The comedian Mark Steel was banned from rejoining the party because he had recently campaigned for another political party. I seem to recall the official decision made reference to not supporting Labour values. I don't think it's too wild a leap to say that party members having political involvement with expelled members might not be upholding the party values.

Buzzer · Mar 27, 2018

Just to add, that the Tories were just as shamefully tardy in disassociating themselves from the Monday Club. They tolerated a racist hard-right group whose values were markedly different from the Conservative Party for decades.

alfredmizen · Mar 27, 2018

joke du jour

A russian spy, an ira supporter and an anti semite walk into a pub , what are you drinking tonight mr corbyn says the barman.

wellquickwoody · Mar 27, 2018

Ernest said:
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The issue is about racism within Labour ranks, as finally acknowledged by JC, it is not about other party's in any other way. Are you a racist Ern? Will you condemn antisemitism?

Questions · Mar 27, 2018

alfredmizen said:
A russian spy, an ira supporter and an anti semite walk into a pub , what are you drinking tonight mr corbyn says the barman.

That’s the right attitude. Ignore the other twats and serve the great Mr Corbyn first.

mikeyjh · Mar 28, 2018

JC Footy Genius said:
1) People who attempt to dismiss concerns by Labour MP's, Labour party members and the Jewish community as 'hysteria' are part of the problem and complicit in allowing antisemitism to grow.

2.) The Jewish Labour Movement say there is a 'vast backlog' of complaints. The implication being Corbyn is only going through the motions and doesn't think there is a problem.

Good grief ....

Sigh

See, I can do a smilie as well, doesn't really mean much does it. You've chosen to ignore points 1 and 2 that's fine. I'll ask you again though:-

Finally, what is it precisely about anti-semitism that upsets many on here to a far great degree than, let's grab an example, the rampant misogyny on this board and elsewhere?

I hypothesise that you have no reputation for considering the interests of minorities so what is it that motivates this bluster?

ForestRowSeagull · Mar 28, 2018

midnight_rendezvous said:
A statement from Jewish Labour members on the current attacks on Jeremy Corbyn

[updated at 22.40]

We are Jews in the Labour Party currently actively campaigning for Labour in local elections. We are appalled by the actions and statements of the Board of Deputies. They do not represent us or the many Jews in the Party who share Jeremy Corbyn’s vision for social justice and fairness. Jeremy’s consistent commitment to anti-racism is all the more needed now.

As the British people call time on May and the Tories, they are getting more desperate. We would hope that any organisation claiming to represent Jews would be calling them to account when, to cite two examples in the last two months, the Prime Minister‘s ex Chief of Staff uses a national newspaper to dredge up an antisemitic conspiracy theory, and Havering Conservative party issues a dogwhistle leaflet hoping to mobilise racism in their local election campaign. The Board of Deputies has been silent on both. It also says nothing on the global rise of the far right and the toxic anti-immigrant rhetoric of the tabloid press, despite the imperative from Jewish history to speak out against racism and fascism.

The Board of Deputies and those supporting them must be aware that this is an attempt to influence local elections and has nothing to do with the real and necessary task of challenging racism and anti-semitism at all levels of political life. We call on them to stop playing politics and start representing what our community needs. We believe that is best represented by the politics we fight for and hope to see win on May 3rd.

Signed

Jenny Mason and Leah Levane co-chairs of JVL, on behalf of Jewish Voice for Labour

Jewish Socialist Group

Sue Lukes Labour council candidate, Islington North CLP

Joseph Finlay Enfield Southgate CLP

Lev Taylor Camberwell and Peckham CLP

Stephen Marks Oxford District Labour Party

Richard Kuper Holborn & St Pancras CLP

Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Chingford and Woodford Green CLP

Cllr Mike Howard Hastings & Rye CLP

Glyn Secker

Dave Rosenberg Islington North CLP Convenor Cable Street 80

Julia Bard Islington North CLP

Ian Saville, Brent Central CLP

Lara Johnson. Bracknell CLP

Ivor Dembina Vauxhall CLP

Pam Laurance, Brent Central CLP

Pauline Laurance, Finchley and Golders Green CLP

Miriam Yagud Stroud CLP

Miri Franklin

Dorothy Macedo Worthing West CLP

Alice Bondi, Penrith and the Border CLP

Sue Hughes Hornsey & Wood Green. CLP

Angie Mindel Nottingham East CLP

Paul Halas Stroud CLP

Ruth Appleton, Holborn & St Pancras CLP

Susan Pashkoff, Leyton and Wanstead CLP

You need to read up on who JVL (and their sister organisations such as Free Speech on Israel and JV-UK) are. Set up under 2 years ago by known (and banned Labour members) such as Tony Greenstein and other disgraced individuals as Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi. The same Wimborne-Idrissi (who has signed this letter) who compared Israel to Nazism alongwith Greenstein who said Livingstone “got it right over Hitler and Zionism”. Other members include Kamal Hawwash (who praised who praised the shooting of Jewish toddlers and Elleanne Green (again, banned from Labour for anti-semitism), founder of the non famous FB group 'Palestine Live' that got JC in a lot of hot water. They effectively were set up to discredit any claims by British Jews into anti-semitism to protect Corbyn (as is seen in this thread with the 'look, this set of Jews think it's all a smear' replies). Whilst i'm of no doubt there are British Jews who are not as outraged as others like Jewish Labour (who have represented Jews for over 120 years), using JVL as a valid counter is wrong.

ForestRowSeagull · Mar 28, 2018

A chilling report of anti-semitism in Haringey Momentum

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/978767859680673794.html

vegster · Mar 28, 2018

The Daily Mail still going crazy on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party... Yes, that's the same Daily Mail that had a lovein with Oswald Mosely.. . Oh the irony!

Two Professors · Mar 28, 2018

vegster said:
The Daily Mail still going crazy on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party... Yes, that's the same Daily Mail that had a lovein with Oswald Mosely.. . Oh the irony!

Was that recent? :lolol:

So you think Labour has no anti-Semites?

Ernest · Mar 28, 2018

vegster said:
The Daily Mail still going crazy on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party... Yes, that's the same Daily Mail that had a lovein with Oswald Mosely.. . Oh the irony!

Or maybe they've forgotten the virulent anti semitic attack by Nick Timothy (yes that Nick Timothy who advised Theresa May to call a General Election) on George Soros in the newspapers a few weeks ago.....oh the irony

alfredmizen · Mar 28, 2018

vegster said:
The Daily Mail still going crazy on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party... Yes, that's the same Daily Mail that had a lovein with Oswald Mosely.. . Oh the irony!

Talk about scraping the barrel it was 86 yes EIGHTY SIX f*cking years ago :facepalm:

Neville's Breakfast · Mar 28, 2018

Brighton Lines said:
Same here....

Actually, it's more like Albion fans hurling sick chants at another group and then attacking those who are critical for being homophobic....

I'm not a Labour Party member and know none who do such things. If there are I suggest they are few.

As for the artwork, I suggest that Corbyn hadn't looked close enough at the depictions before relaying his thoughts.

Yeah I agree with you about Corbyn. Maybe a good example of why people of his age (and mine) should steer clear of twitter.

vegster · Mar 28, 2018

alfredmizen said:
Talk about scraping the barrel it was 86 yes EIGHTY SIX f*cking years ago

It's a bit more recent than The Battle of The Boyne though isn't it ? :facepalm:

Neville's Breakfast · Mar 28, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
He is a troll. He is not a labour supporter. Just block him, like I have done. He's trolled all over this thread, with the intention of making labour look even more foolish than it really is (and it is a bit foolish right now, under Jezza).

Are Ernie and Beach Hut the same person ? If I am replying to a joke account on a serious thread I probably need to stop !

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 28, 2018

Neville's Breakfast said:
Are Ernie and Beach Hut the same person ? If I am replying to a joke account on a serious thread I probably need to stop !

I seriously doubt it!

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