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No Southern Trains Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday
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Lower West Stander
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I couldn't give a monkeys any more. Both sides have lost any semblance of moral high ground and defensible behaviour for me....
Yep, this. It really is astonishing the number of people ready to blame the unions for everything, or even suggest that they are "equally" to blame. It's absolute crap. Blame this shit spineless government and the most incompetent moronic train company imaginable.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Southern Failway has shown it is incapable of supplying a rail service to Sussex.
I don't care about their reasons - not my problem, I buy tickets from them and no one else. Their problems with staff are their problems and not mine.
Not fit for purpose.
I don't care about their reasons - not my problem, I buy tickets from them and no one else. Their problems with staff are their problems and not mine.
Not fit for purpose.
Lower West Stander
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Why is it "astonishing"?
Every day I attempt to commute. Every day I'm late. Every I have to listen to the latest spout of rhetoric from both sides saying they want to talk but the other side declined. Whatever your politics, to say "that is absolute crap" is to insult the intelligence of the thousands of commuters who have to put up with this every day and have simply had enough.
Get on your moralistic high horse if you want but don't drag the rest of us into it.
No buses today as there is nothing to connect with at Lewes
Neither the government nor train company called strike...The Union did...As well as fu..ing up trains it has made road users suffer as well.... If government was spineless it would not stand up to the bullys in the union...
Well I'm a commuter too and I'm well aware of the shambles. It is "astonishing" because this contemptible service has been going on for 17 months whereas the RMT union dispute has only been for six months and ASLEF have barely started. Why are they receiving the same level of abuse as the company who have been an absolute disgrace for pushing two years? There is no saving grace about any aspect of their service. It is totally feeble and unacceptable on every level, yet the government has let them get away with missing laughably lax targets and allowed them to reduce their timetable to the point of it not working at all on some lines.
To be clear, I don't know whether the unions are being too quick to strike or not, but I do know that the misery Southern Rail are responsible for far outweighs the misery caused by striking workers. This is the first day that a strike has actually caused major disruption.
Call that a moralistic high horse if you like, I'll just call you a pig-headed Tory boy who won't see the blindingly obvious.
So the ballot result were 630 in favour to 92 no,action for strikes and 690yes and 30 no, for action short of strikes.
Sorry what was your point again.
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pearl
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Lower West Stander
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It is interesting that those all too willing to blame the unions for everything don't appear interested in questioning how we have arrived at a situation where TWO unions are so upset that they are both willing to strike at just about the most expensive time of year. And the government is completely spineless - they are hiding behind complete lies and an agency (the train company) in an effort to force through highly debatable new procedures. How come they will stand up to unions but are not interested in standing up for the long suffering commuter by ensuring the train company was appropriately penalised for their absolutely disgusting level of service over the past 17 months?
Really? It's no worse than anything you've said.
pearl
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everyones problem actually .... if you are a tax payer
Reading that I had an instant mental image of Mr Bloom sat outside the door, doing what turns out to be a very good impression of Mickey Rouke:-
Anyone trying to leave getting clobbered back into the room.
Lower West Stander
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Don't recall personally insulting you......
I`m not solely blaming the union, rail company seems pretty shambolic and the service has been shit for months....However there can be no denying the Strike is solely the Unions fault and it is bound to increase travellers misery during this season of supposed goodwill .
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I suppose, from a certain perspective.
But really my 'contract' is with Southern Failways. Everything beyond that is operational details for them to deal with and not something for me to get involved with.
The question boils down to whether they can supply Sussex with an acceptable rail service or not
I apologise if you're really that offended. But I remain astonished by your position and I'd consider you insisting I was on a moral high horse every bit as abusive as what you said.
I agree with you. I don't see how striking for the length of time they are doing is remotely reasonable. What makes it even more unreasonable is the fact that they are insisting it is all about safety rather than job protection and that they are insisting they have public support when clearly they don't.
I'm merely taking issue with the suggestion that the unions are "equally" to blame for this shit-show. I think we'd need six months of ASLEF intransigence and refusal to negotiate before it becomes anywhere close to equal when I think of the number of days I have missed my little boy going to bed because they can't even run a f**king train 17 miles down a straight line track.
mikeyjh
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As am I, as is my other half, as are several of my friends, all of which also agree.