- Jan 3, 2012
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The Biggest Hypocrite Ever?
- Thread starter burnee54
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Fair enough. I'm not an accountant.
Hampster Gull
New member
- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,462
I wouldnt say he was a hypocrite let alone the biggest
GT49er
Well-known member
Without getting involved in the general argument, I must point out that this is.....well....bollox.
HMRC actively encourage people to falsely declare themselves as self employed. I know this from first hand experience. When employers try to employ people 'on a self-employed basis' it is to avoid all the normal responsibilities of an employer.
Acting on behalf of an employee, I contacted HMRC. 'Take it up with the employer' was their first response. When they were told that had been done, they then asked if it really was the case that it wasn't self employment. It was pointed out to them that their own on-line test showed conclusively it wasn't self employement - that clearly upset them, and they insisted on going through the whole thing on the phone before reluctantly admitting that the test result was, in fact, correct.
The subsequent conversation was beyond belief.
"What are you going to do about it?" "I can't tell you that."
"Well, do you have teams of inspectors who look into this sort of thing?" "I can't tell you that."
"So do you ever find cases of false self-employment?" "We might find it on a routine inspection."
"So now you've been told about a specific example (name and address of company), will you be making an inspection?" "I can't tell you that."
(Almost 8 months later, they haven't)
"So what do you suggest the employee does now, then?" "Fill in the form and declare herself self-employed."
As I said, I'm not getting involved in the whole macro argument, but on the small points you need to get your facts right. As they say in matters of crime detection, it's the little lies that catch you out.............
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,301
so despite rafts of rules to stop employees being wrongly reported as self-employed/contractors, and the considerable NI implications, you are saying HMRC really want to be be self-employed based on a sample of 1, then talk about facts?
GT49er
Well-known member
Yes, it is a fact. It is one of which I am a first hand witness. So does your opinion of how you think things should be outweigh the actual fact which I have stated? Perhaps because the facts I have presented go against your views on how things should be, you think I'm a liar? Well, that might be convenient for you.
In fact I did follow this up (informally of course) with an HMRC employee who I know. He confirmed this was the case - statutory routine checks are carried out, but extra checks take resources that aren't available, so stringent are the cuts that have been made. Furthermore, enforcement and taking legal action also takes up too many resources. In order to meet targets, it is more cost effective to go after the easy targets, like the little bloke who has made mess of his tax return, but no way can afford a barrister.
Sorry to shatter your illusions.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. In all my years of dealing with HMRC I've never heard similar. PAYE is the easiest tax to collect, the easiest to administer, the fastest paying, it's the most difficult to find any room for creative avoidance and as someone else said the NI implications alone means that employed people pay far more tax than self-employed.
Tom Bombadil
Well-known member
FFS people get a grip. Corbynn is obviously the victim of a quite revolting campaign by the right wing press. Stop believing everything that fleet streets grubby little extremists make up. And secondly there are lots of things you can be critical of Osborne but his dads companies tax affairs aren't one of them. All you're doing is showing your ignorance.
- Aug 7, 2003
- 7,795
Corbyn is completely out of his depth. A pub politician, at best.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,892
So Corbyn's utter goonery about national defence is all made up ?
Good to know.
The good news is that you will have an opportunity to have a free vote on his views and policies, until then you have no reason to start frothing at the mouth, or are you scared that people might just think he's on to something ?
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I can assure you I am not 'frothing at the mouth'. That's quite an insulting thing to say to be honest.
Tooting Gull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,033
The coverage of Corbyn from certain newspapers - notably the Sun, the Mail and the Telegraph, but all have got sucked in plus radio and TV on the ludicrous agenda - has been the real national disgrace. One of the most disgusting and embarrassing smear campaigns I can remember.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,892
I'm sorry you feel insulted by my phrase but people really need to get a grip here.
Corrected for you!
Seagull on the wing
New member
You don't have to listen to the media anyway to make your own mind up...the fact that Corbyn has stated He would never " press the button" has all but handed the enemies of this country a coup,he has made our nuclear weapons useless,the whole idea of nuclear arms is not to use them but keep your enemies wondering if you might therefore reducing the risk of attack.
As for his cosying up to terrorist and lack of financial knowledge less said the better.
Couldn't you just hand the use of the nuclear weapons to the military leaders? Make it their job to determine when its use is justified?
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
We never know whether a leader would use the weapons. We never know whether a leader who has not said anything would use them. And we don't know whether when it comes to it whether Corbyn would or wouldn't. So the Russians are going to think - "well he says he is not going to use them so clearly he is not going to use them". Unlikely.
It is just another stick to beat him with,
On a personal level I don't want a PM who would use them. And if they say they are not going to use them up front - that is fine by me.
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
Really ?
People who are used to handling big hammers tend to reach for solutions that involve big hammers.
No thank-you.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,301
no need to apologise, this is great news. i'm of to tell HR that the revenue would rather i were a contractor. we'll both save thousands in NI and tax, doubles all round.