How many more times we didn't cause this. You need to look closer to remain castle and for King Cameron who fought a bungled misleading campaign so sure it was already won. The majority didn't fall for all the remain lies of being 4.5k each worse off or millions losing there jobs. Once defeat was confirmed him and his cronies couldn't get out of dodge quick enough.
So sure he was of winning he never put any contingency in place for a out vote.[/QUOTE]
So, let's get this right. You Brexit voters didn't cause this mess. It was Cameron's fault for losing the referendum.
I am not sure I have read anything quite as absurd on NSC, ever.
I assume that what you actually mean is that the Brexit fiasco is caused because none of the politicians charged with obtaining Brexit have the remotest capability of achieving it. With that I agree...
...So....why did you vote for something that no policician can deliver. Or even describe? You might as well have voted for resurrection.
Has it not occurred to you that there may be no such thing as a good Brexit? Like resurrection, it may not exist.
How many more times we didn't cause this. You need to look closer to remain castle and for King Cameron who fought a bungled misleading campaign so sure it was already won. The majority didn't fall for all the remain lies of being 4.5k each worse off or millions losing there jobs. Once defeat was confirmed him and his cronies couldn't get out of dodge quick enough.
So sure he was of winning he never put any contingency in place for a out vote.[/QUOTE]
So, let's get this right. You Brexit voters didn't cause this mess. It was Cameron's fault for losing the referendum.
I am not sure I have read anything quite as absurd on NSC, ever.
I assume that what you actually mean is that the Brexit fiasco is caused because none of the politicians charged with obtaining Brexit have the remotest capability of achieving it. With that I agree...
...So....why did you vote for something that no policician can deliver. Or even describe? You might as well have voted for resurrection.
Has it not occurred to you that there may be no such thing as a good Brexit? Like resurrection, it may not exist.
Don't you dare tell him about Santa or the Easter Bunny. There's only so much one man can take
Complete garbage. David Davis has been undermined the whole way through by Olly Robbins. Robbins started in the Brexit department, but was then seconded to No 10 to head up the ‘other’ department which was the one really doing the negotiations.
The whole way through the negotiations have been driven by Remainers. i know that Remainers like to blame this clusterf*ck on the leave voters, but the implementation has been done the Remainers who want to circumvent the will of the people.
I know you’ll pretend that you can’t see the facts, and being honest, I don’t bother much with this thread anymore as the Remainers (for obvious reasons), can’t ever see the simple fact that it’s remainers trying to implement Brexit. If they could at least admit that obvious fact, then it would give me some hope that logical debate could be had.
I’ll exclude HW Tackle in that wish, as senility appears to have taken over any sense he may have had in the past. Block him, Block him, Block him. Must be odd going on a football chat forum and just talking to yourself
Off the top of my head Boris Johnson, David Davis, Michael Gove, Esther McVey, Penny Mordaunt, Andrea Leadsom, Liam Fox, Chris Grayling have all been cabinet Brexiteers that have got us to the position we are now in
You were told exactly what would happen but wouldn't believe it. More importantly, with Theresa May's Pick and Mix blown out and the Fantasy of 'no deal' becoming clearer by the day, what do you think should happen now ?
So what exactly do you think a team of Brexiteer negotiators would have got the EU to agree to on Ireland/NI, customs etc if they weren't constantly undermined by Remainers
How many more times we didn't cause this. You need to look closer to remain castle and for King Cameron who fought a bungled misleading campaign so sure it was already won. The majority didn't fall for all the remain lies of being 4.5k each worse off or millions losing there jobs. Once defeat was confirmed him and his cronies couldn't get out of dodge quick enough.
So sure he was of winning he never put any contingency in place for a out vote.[/QUOTE]
So, let's get this right. You Brexit voters didn't cause this mess. It was Cameron's fault for losing the referendum.
I am not sure I have read anything quite as absurd on NSC, ever.
I assume that what you actually mean is that the Brexit fiasco is caused because none of the politicians charged with obtaining Brexit have the remotest capability of achieving it. With that I agree...
...So....why did you vote for something that no policician can deliver. Or even describe? You might as well have voted for resurrection.
Has it not occurred to you that there may be no such thing as a good Brexit? Like resurrection, it may not exist.
Who sanctioned the vote? I didn't. No vote no supposed mess. Give people the freedom expect a bloody nose. Yet still you and others blame the voters who dared to vote leave responsible. Its a mess now as the heart of government charged with seeing it through have been against it since the result. It's been a half hearted driverless campaign since
Much is being made of the solidarity of the 27 countries left in the EU once we Brexit.If we go WTO,and hard customs borders,Irish exports would totally break down after the first couple of days and the whole country would be down the pan in weeks.So Ireland needs us more than we need them,ergo the whole EU.
As for the scare on insulin,the USA are the largest manufacturer so another load of crap.I expect Rawlins is a bit miffed cos his EMA chums have moved.Any sensible countries,like Germany,who want to trade with us are now talking bi-lateral trade deals.The rest can take a running jump.WTO ROOLS,OK
What on earth are you talking about ?
5 days ago we and the EU submitted what we want our new WTO trading terms to look like to the rest of the WTO.
I know you don't do detail, so in summary we said
You remember the deals you negotiated with us as part of the EU, one of the largest trading blocs in the world ? Well we are now leaving, are a far smaller economy, but would like those same deals please. (You may be able to guess where this is heading).
Surprisingly, the EU's submission is a little different.
Now what happens is the rest of the WTO membership have 90 days to raise their objections and, as WTO members, they all have a right to say whether their trade would be affected. US, Brazil and New Zealand have already said they don't agree due to the fact that the EU and the UK share a quota system that limits imports of sensitive goods like beef, lamb and sugar. The UK cannot simply replicate these quotas and has proposed to split them with the EU based on historical trade flows. The EU has proposed otherwise.
I would expect the majority of other members to also take the opportunity to renegotiate with the now far smaller UK. All of this means that if and when they object and ask for a better deal, Britain will be simultaneously negotiating a trade deal with the EU and the various WTO members. Luckily for us, we won't have to negotiate with all 164 members as most have grouped together into trading blocs to give themselves more negotiating power. (After all, who would be stupid enough to try and negotiate on their own
Looks like the 2nd easiest trade deal in history, doesn't it
*edit* I did think Mauritania traded as an individual state under WTO. However, according to the WTO, Mauritania has joined the Economic Community of West African States, and it has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members. Which means we will be the only country trading solely under WTO terms.
When they start laying Tarmac at Dover, I'll believe that preparations for a WTO 'no deal' Brexit have started. Until then, anyone who manages to give the subject more than 30 seconds attention will realise it's obviously bullshit designed to indulge and gratify the naive and simple. (And I think the EU may already be ahead of us on that particular line of negotiation).
