[Football] Which Club Will Perform Badly Next Season?

albionfan37 · May 16, 2018

newcastle if its not sold
watford
id love arsenal to go but alas so ill say bournmouth

Weststander · May 16, 2018

MattBackHome said:
Have they confirmed Silva? If they do I'm happy to predict them to improve on this year's position and points tally. He's a huge improvement on Allardyce. Top 4 is a stretch though. It would be reliant on at least 3 of the top 6 having terrible (by their standards) seasons; now Wenger is gone the likelihood of that looks remote.

But even Everton do appoint someone universally acknowledged to be terrible (a la Pards?) I'd be reluctant to tip them to go down. The same couldn't be said if Chunky turned up at West Ham (again), or Newcastle (again) or here (shudder)

What do you reckon [MENTION=21158]Weststander[/MENTION]?

I think that Silva or Fonseca will deliver more goals and attacking football. I mean, it couldn't be any worse than the no risks football of Allardyce/Pulis.

They'll have the massive advantage of no European games, (That helped give Chelsea the title in 2017 and Leicester in 2016, whilst their competitors played 60 odd games). So they might get lucky as a one off.

Equally, I can West Ham and/or Everton have the usual warfare between fans and management.

Farehamseagull · May 16, 2018

Fair play to Marco Silva, he's managed to build a brand for himself and massive reputation on very little evidence that he's any good. So much so that he's probably going to get a massive job at Everton and everyone thinks he's going to be the Messiah there after he's relegated Hull and would have taken Watford down. His management/PR are fantastic.

Simster · May 16, 2018

Farehamseagull said:
Fair play to Marco Silva, he's managed to build a brand for himself and massive reputation on very little evidence that he's any good. So much so that he's probably going to get a massive job at Everton and everyone thinks he's going to be the Messiah there after he's relegated Hull and would have taken Watford down. His management/PR are fantastic.

Indeed. His one "big" achievement according to wikipedia appears to be finishing 3rd with Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league.

severnside gull · May 16, 2018

The Optimist said:
We beat Arsenal and Man Utd and drew with Spurs. That seems reasonable to me.

We were massively uncompetitive in the majority of games against top teams, too often more so than others in the second tier of the Premier League. If 7 points seems acceptable from 12 games we will always struggle.

LowKarate · May 16, 2018

If we lose someone like Dunk and don’t recruit well, then the margins are fine enough for us to be right in the mix.

Aside from that, then statistically at least one of the promoted clubs would fail and Cardiff are most likely.

Watford, Saints, Huddersfield and good old chaos club West Ham would be other contenders.

clippedgull · May 16, 2018

JC Footy Genius said:
On a related question .. If it's us, what level of 'badly' is enough to offload CH? Bottom three and adrift or something else?

I don't even think relegation would dislodge CH as he will be seen as the man to get us back up into the PL if the worst happened.

He may choose to save his dignity and walk if we have an unexpected bottom 3 finish, but I don't believe TB will pull the trigger on him.

flint · May 16, 2018

Huddersfield
Cardiff
An other

DumLum · May 16, 2018

If Zaha leaves...Palace.

Steve Foster · May 16, 2018

Tim Over Whelmed said:
Watford, Burnley, Stains, Hudders, Brighton, Wolves & Cardiff

Spot on I believe which makes us about 50/50 to get relegated.

All on the flick of a coin - until we raise our game further & have a majority team of internationals

Weststander · May 16, 2018

Farehamseagull said:
Fair play to Marco Silva, he's managed to build a brand for himself and massive reputation on very little evidence that he's any good. So much so that he's probably going to get a massive job at Everton and everyone thinks he's going to be the Messiah there after he's relegated Hull and would have taken Watford down. His management/PR are fantastic.

Aided by the current craze on Portugese coaches.

Weststander · May 16, 2018

LowKarate said:
If we lose someone like Dunk and don’t recruit well, then the margins are fine enough for us to be right in the mix.

Aside from that, then statistically at least one of the promoted clubs would fail and Cardiff are most likely.

Watford, Saints, Huddersfield and good old chaos club West Ham would be other contenders.

We're right in the mix, even with Dunk, from day one 2018/19 season. That's not pessimism, Hughton will quite rightly say similar. The moment PL clubs of Brighton's size think otherwise, that can spell a case of the WBA/Southampton/Stoke's.

West Upper Seagull · May 16, 2018

Clearly player (and in some cases manager) recruitment makes this such a hypothetical question when talking about all the teams mentioned so far, but putting that to one side for now I genuinely think Burnley may struggle next season. Firstly because the Europa League could take its toll on their squad size but equally, while taking nothing away from their achievements this season they only scored 36 goals (only 4 more than the average of the bottom 6 clubs this season) and they found a good habit of grinding out draws or wins by the odd goal. That could easily go the other way next season if their defence struggles to hold firm like they have done this year. Even more so if Dyche is tempted into leaving.

afcb · May 16, 2018

Anyone outside of the top six apart from Everton who will simply throw more money at it.

Weststander · May 16, 2018

afcb said:
Anyone outside of the top six apart from Everton who will simply throw more money at it.

Everton will spend massively again too.

blue-shifted · May 16, 2018

Probably something like .....

Liverpool
City
Man U
Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Arsenal
Newcastle
Everton
Wolves
Brighton
Southampton
Watford
Burnley
Palace
Leicester
Fulham/Villa
Cardiff
Bournemouth
Huddersfield

Trevor · May 16, 2018

I think Huddersfield, whoever comes through the play-offs and the Hammers

Weststander · May 16, 2018

blue-shifted said:
Probably something like .....

Liverpool
City
Man U
Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Arsenal
Newcastle
Everton
Wolves
Brighton
Southampton
Watford
Burnley
Palace
Leicester
Fulham/Villa
Cardiff
Bournemouth
Huddersfield

The bookies/markets show:

Couldn't fit the entire webpage in.

Man City odds on
Liverpool 5/1

warmleyseagull · May 16, 2018

Second season syndrome is a cliché. There is no evidence for it. Wike sets out SSS since 1982 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_season_syndrome - and this shows that there is no SSS in PL since QPR in 2013. To be fair, that is partly because promoted teams tend to be relegated in first season so SSS is really only a statistical quirk that if three teams survive first season, the chances are much higher that one of them will be relegated next. That is statistics, not a syndrome..

BadFish · May 16, 2018

Marshy said:
Way too early to predict.
Anyone out of the top 6 could go pear shaped in no time.

This, looks like there will be a mass manager change over the summer so it is impossible to say. Looks like Everton, West Ham and Southampton are going to make 'progressive' appointments. This probably means that around Christmas the usual suspects will be drafted in to 'do a job'.

I quite like the idea of clubs only being able to change their manager in the transfer window.

We will be in the conversation again next year.

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