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General Election 2017
- Thread starter Giraffe
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These businesses that complain about being taxed to pay for education? Are they related to those businesses who complain about under-educated kids? You know, I think they might be
Exactly....... So it's time they helped to invest to improve that. BUT will they do it voluntarily no they won't so it will take someone like Jeremy Corbyn to force them to do so via increases in taxes.
Thank goodness he won the elec.....oh.
larus
Well-known member
Yes it is. As I've said before, opposition is easy as you don't have to make tough choices.
For example, you only have enough money to fund university places or old people care.
Party A in power chooses university places, and gets slated by all of of the opposition parties for penalising old people
-or -
Party B funds both, increases the national debt, the finance markets lose confidence so the currency plunges, interest rates have to rise and there is a recession and those who have high mortgages or lose their jobs, get into arrears, then lose their homes.
Yes, I know it's a very simple scenario, but the reality is there must be compromises.
Peston said on twitter it would stay the same because she can't afford to piss off one single big hitter in the party. I happen to agree with him
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The Merry Prankster
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You're the sorest winner I've ever met.
Exactly.
And, once again, if the roles were reversed and Labour were there now they'd do exactly the same, and only the right (as in not left) nutters would kick off about it.
Of all the fun things to come soon the thing I'm most looking forward to is the DUP propping up an act to get tough on terrorism
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I am all to aware he actually lost.
I am not ''happy clapping'' an Election victory for Corbyn and Labour but I am glad to see a swing in his direction - Maybe some day the majority of people in this country might begin to care about the less fortunate in society than ourselves. I am not holding my breath. I would be more than happy to pay 50% tax rather than 40% tax if it meant that other less well off benefited from it.
It seems based on yesterdays vote that a lot of other people don't feel the same. That's their prerogative and their right to do so. It's why we have Democracy and that's fine by me. It doesn't mean that I can't have a point of view on it.
I am also glad that his aims are to go after the large high earning companies and tax them more. He gave it a go and he tried to convince voters to follow his vision but he lost. The majority rejected his proposals. Again that's Democracy and I accept the result as it is but again I still have a view on it.
Absolutely. This is a potentially monumental shift away from neoliberalism towards a totally new style of socialist politics. Could well be the thin end of a very big wedge.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Wouldn't call gaining four seats winning.
Grombleton
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- Dec 31, 2011
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If you put it into real terms, as in the total of the population, there's less than 800,000 votes between them - that's not very much. There's also a number of Tory MPs now with very sore arses having managed to just drag themselves over the line.
No, Labour didn't win. But there's no way the Tories can claim to be winners last night either, having a majority destroyed like that and having to cosy up with the DUP isn't anything to celebrate...all they've done is **** things up even more and they've only got themselves to blame.
I think it's similar to what the Tories were saying about Labour; a shambles of a party.
I'm not sore though.
I don't know what my ideal result was so I'm not sure I could describe myself as a winner just yet. I'll need to think about it a little bit more.
Like most, I think, I was resigned to a Conservative majority but hoping it was kept to a level such that it sent a strong message about the plans that May had laid out and would lead to some moderation taking place.
So it wasn't if there would be a Tory majority, it was a matter of how big it would be.
I know precious little about the DUP but posts here suggest they're not the nicest of chaps. That's a worry for us all if so.
My other concern is the impact of a fragile government, of any persuasion, attempting to negotiate a Brexit deal on behalf of us all. I'm not sure how that can work out well. Barring another election sharpish, that's what we're going to be stuck with isn't it?
Theatre of Trees
Well-known member
Conservatives can count on 318 + 10 DUP and most likely the lone independent Unionist, though they are not always guaranteed. That leaves the remaining 320 of which 7 are Sinn Fein who traditionally do not take their seats in Parliament. Therefore it is 330 vs 313 - meaning the government effectively have a wriggle room of 9.
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
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LOL No, ive found they trigger as easy as SJWs and wont debate issues, like the hard left. Only fun to troll on facebook but like the far left its all old news.
crookie
Well-known member
Pretty much this, we have the worst of all worlds here. I didn't vote Tory, but expected, and wouldn't have been too disappointed with a small Tory majority for stability going forward. This scenario is likely to be a disaster, I see nothing positive politically or economically about this coalition
larus
Well-known member
I wouldn't say the party is a shambles. I would say the TM is a bad PM and has ****ed up. IMO, she is only surviving in a transitional role and once the dust settles there will be a new process to appoint a new leader.
I would also say that Labour are a shambles. The leader was/is not wanted by circa 80% of his MPs. He removed his Home Secretary for 'health reasons' in the last week of the campaign and the shadow chancellor was conspicuous by his absence on the campaign. Yes, they got more votes from the young, but as I've already mentioned, there is a view (and not an unreasonable one) that they were attracted on the 'get rid of tuition fees' policy. Being honest, at £27k, why wouldn't a student vote for that?
looney
Banned
- Jul 7, 2003
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No its not, various facebook groups throw up a range of links, its only the second time i been to that site. Much prefer the liveleak links of antifa getting flattened.
looney
Banned
- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
Nah, its just labour using social media ala trump to pull one over gullible youngsters.