Was Enoch Powell correct?

JC Footy Genius · Nov 14, 2015

lawros left foot said:
How many of the Islamophobes, not least on this board are genuine, card carrying Christains tho? I wouldn't have thought there are many church going regulars who are crying out for their Moslem neighbours to be interned, or any of the other ridiculous measures mooted by some who claim to be sticking up for their Christian faith, yes, Britain First, I am looking at you

That term Islamaphobes suggests an irrational fear/dislike of Islam. Isn't it more irrational not to fear/dislike an unreconstructed religion that has changed little from the 7th century and still holds a vice like grip on the poor indoctrinated minds of it's many followers ?

GT49er · Nov 14, 2015

Beach Hut said:
Indeed

Yes, I think you have been!

portslade seagull · Nov 14, 2015

Lord Bracknell said:
I must be missing something.

Where is the evidence that Christianity is lining up its members to take on the Muslims?

Didn't you know the crusades are returning

Yoda · Nov 14, 2015

Pretty pink fairy said:
nice swerve, i don't think that has got anything to do with the current situation have you heard of any west indian suicide bombers:
regards
DR

Yes, Germaine Lindsay (one of the 7/7 bombers) was born in Jamaica before moving to the UK and converting to Islam when he married Samantha Lewthwaite (who was an earlier convert).

beorhthelm · Nov 14, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
That term Islamaphobes suggests an irrational fear/dislike of Islam. Isn't it more irrational not to fear/dislike an unreconstructed religion that has changed little from the 7th century and still holds a vice like grip on the poor indoctrinated minds of it's many followers ?

while you make an excellent point on the state of Islam, its still irrational to fear an entire culture who for the most part just get on with their day to day and whose cultrual practices dont interfere with any one. as someone who works with a number of muslims it really doesnt make an iota of difference, except ramadan when they are a bit tide and tetchy (and im like that every Monday).

Pretty pink fairy · Nov 14, 2015

Yoda said:
Yes, Germaine Lindsay (one of the 7/7 bombers) was born in Jamaica before moving to the UK and converting to Islam when he married Samantha Lewthwaite (who was an earlier convert).

Well thanks for the heads up , but still a muslim
regards
DR

spring hall convert · Nov 14, 2015

Was Enoch Powell a paedophile?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...use-claim-demands-filed-held-serving-MPs.html

Pretty pink fairy · Nov 14, 2015

Lord Bracknell said:
No I don't know what was meant. It was you who brought "Christians" into this debate.

I'm beginning to think you mean "white people". Or am I wrong?

As for avoiding future conflict, the first step I would take would be to do something about the growth of racism.

"Growth of racism "that old chestnut , more like people coming to terms with reality , Firle really is a place so out of touch with reality, its like living in fantasy land
regards
DR

Lord Bracknell · Nov 14, 2015

Pretty pink fairy said:
"Growth of racism "that old chestnut , more like people coming to terms with reality , Firle really is a place so out of touch with reality, its like living in fantasy land
regards
DR

You speak as if Firle is a village without people from ethnic minorities. You're wrong. I'll concede, though, that it's a reasonably harmonious community to live in.

GT49er · Nov 14, 2015

portslade seagull said:
Didn't you know the crusades are returning

Our boys are coming back? Geez, it's been over 700 years, that's wonderful news

JC Footy Genius · Nov 14, 2015

beorhthelm said:
while you make an excellent point on the state of Islam, its still irrational to fear an entire culture who for the most part just get on with their day to day and whose cultrual practices dont interfere with any one. as someone who works with a number of muslims it really doesnt make an iota of difference, except ramadan when they are a bit tide and tetchy (and im like that every Monday).

I think that may be a little complacent. Islamic blasphemy law is in place in the UK and supposedly having a foreign policy that is deemed unacceptable results in carnage. Cultural practises combined with religious teaching encode segregation of men and women and subjugation of women within some Muslim communities. Marrying a non believer is culturally unacceptable, leaving the religion is unacceptable, homosexuality unacceptable,atheism unacceptable. Some of their cultural/religious practises do not interfere with non believers lives but are still completely at odds with the values of this country.

On an anecdotal level I have also worked with Muslims. One a highly educated professional who was one of the nicest kindest people I have ever met. But he openly admitted if either of his children decided to marry a non muslim or leave the faith he would disown them. He also had a tendency to see Israel's hand in any problem facing the Muslim world. Another otherwise decent man who had arrived from Algeria via France was overtly anti Semitic. I am not saying they are representative but they did bring home to me what damage some cultural/religious influences can have.

I like the individuals but dislike any culture/religion that deems it necessary for people in 21st century Britain to go down on their knees praying to an imaginary being.

Lenny Rider · Nov 14, 2015

It's all about timing, Powell's speech was delivered in different times, move forward 14 years to Easter Saturday 1981 the day after the first riot in Brixton and you would have said he was bang on, now I'm not so sure, it's not about that anymore, the enemy you can see is a far easier fight than the one you can't.
People of a certain age including myself remember the conflict with the IRA in the 70 and 80's, this lot make Gerry Adams and co look like the Boy Scouts.

Beach Hut · Nov 14, 2015

Lenny Rider said:
It's all about timing, Powell's speech was delivered in different times, move forward 14 years to Easter Saturday 1981 the day after the first riot in Brixton and you would have said he was bang on, now I'm not so sure, it's not about that anymore, the enemy you can see is a far easier fight than the one you can't.
People of a certain age including myself remember the conflict with the IRA in the 70 and 80's, this lot make Gerry Adams and co look like the Boy Scouts.

Really, the Brixton riots were born out of the Met Police and their extreme attitude to young black people and SUS law

DavidinSouthampton · Nov 14, 2015

Hastings gull said:
What a stupid post -you know exactly what was meant. So do you think that future conflict can be avoided?

It wasn't a stupid post at all. Where is the evidence that Christianity is lining up its members to take on the Muslims? The vast majority of decent Muslim people in this country (aand elsewhere) will find what has happened in France just as appalling as the rest of us do, and decent Christian people would be enormously sympathetic to them.

Pretty pink fairy · Nov 14, 2015

Lenny Rider said:
It's all about timing, Powell's speech was delivered in different times, move forward 14 years to Easter Saturday 1981 the day after the first riot in Brixton and you would have said he was bang on, now I'm not so sure, it's not about that anymore, the enemy you can see is a far easier fight than the one you can't.
People of a certain age including myself remember the conflict with the IRA in the 70 and 80's, this lot make Gerry Adams and co look like the Boy Scouts.

tell that to the relatives of the people they murdered :nono:

regards
DR

GT49er · Nov 14, 2015

Lord Bracknell said:
You speak as if Firle is a village without people from ethnic minorities. You're wrong. I'll concede, though, that it's a reasonably harmonious community to live in.

Good God, LB! When I were a lad, w**s began a Calais. Have the w**s now colonised as far as Firle? We are doomed.

Doomed, I tell you, doomed!

GT49er · Nov 14, 2015

beorhthelm said:
while you make an excellent point on the state of Islam, its still irrational to fear an entire culture who for the most part just get on with their day to day and whose cultrual practices dont interfere with any one. as someone who works with a number of muslims it really doesnt make an iota of difference, except ramadan when they are a bit tide and tetchy (and im like that every Monday).

How many people do you kill with a saw bladed knife on an average Monday?

Lenny Rider · Nov 14, 2015

Pretty pink fairy said:
tell that to the relatives of the people they murdered
regards
DR

Read the post, these are worrying times right up there with the rise of Hitler, the only difference our enemy is hidden.

Creaky · Nov 14, 2015

Lenny Rider said:
It's all about timing, Powell's speech was delivered in different times, move forward 14 years to Easter Saturday 1981 the day after the first riot in Brixton and you would have said he was bang on, now I'm not so sure, it's not about that anymore, the enemy you can see is a far easier fight than the one you can't.
People of a certain age including myself remember the conflict with the IRA in the 70 and 80's, this lot make Gerry Adams and co look like the Boy Scouts.

Having lived through that period and with a shop in Wandsworth I don't see how anyone could claim he was "bang on".

He wasn't predicting riots by the immigrant population - quite the contrary, he foresaw the native population rising up against the immigrant population. It was this aspect of his speech that caused calls for his prosecution as incitement to violence and led to a number of incidents where immigrants were attacked.

wellquickwoody · Nov 14, 2015

Lord Bracknell said:
You speak as if Firle is a village without people from ethnic minorities. You're wrong. I'll concede, though, that it's a reasonably harmonious community to live in.

Couple of caravans on the outskirts of the village do not count.

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