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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Baldseagull
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You may well be right about the motives of some, and I am not usually swayed by the company my opinion has, but if remaining in the EU can have support from left, right and centre, whilst leaving seems to come from further left or further right thinking, I am reassured that remaining is more likely to be the right choice.
btnbelle
New member
- Apr 26, 2017
- 1,438
Ahhhh, there we have it.....
Project fear from the bias in the media making people think no deal is a terrible option. A full and rational debate giving people information about how it may be our best option available, would change peoples minds.
I am not advocating no deal is my first choice. I would like a Canada +++ style deal. A managed deal that allows us to trade with the EU has benefits for both sides.
I think we will end up with no deal because nothing else put forward in parliament is likely to get a majority vote. It is unthinkable for democracy to not leave the EU!
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Which issues does it solve for you?
For some people this is the same thing. It's called narcissistic personality disorder
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
If only they put this yes or no business on the original ballot paper..oh hang on
fanseagull
New member
- Dec 18, 2018
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maltaseagull
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Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,161
Try to reach a cross-party consensus? What a good idea - and only two and a half years too late.
¡Cereal Killer!
Whale Oil Beef Hooked
As mentioned in another thread, I think a 2nd referendum is the way to go.
When people voted the first time around, people didn't know exactly what Brexit will entail.
Brexit day is little over 2 months away and the government is in a shambles and with a clearer picture of what Brexit means, the people should be allowed to decide whether it is what they still want.
When people voted the first time around, people didn't know exactly what Brexit will entail.
Brexit day is little over 2 months away and the government is in a shambles and with a clearer picture of what Brexit means, the people should be allowed to decide whether it is what they still want.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
If you considered the pros and cons and came up with that assessment of the EU, I don't think you have given it fair mind.
You think Brexit is going to help? You think maybe the collapse of the EU is going to help? Bailing out on Italy, Greece and Spain is what many leavers tell me they want out for, to avoid being asked to help in any way, either financially or with easing the migrant issues.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Be interested to know how many people on NSC have changed their mind ..maybe a thread with a poll
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
- Dec 31, 2011
- 7,356
This has been me for some time now.
Voted remain, expect us to leave...but i honestly couldn't care less anymore which way we go as long as we sort something out.
- Jan 19, 2010
- 1,190
I agree, but perhaps this is a case of better late than never?
Withdean11
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Voted leave but can't see us leaving. TM and main opposition determined to keep us in.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
I am sorry to hear that, it is ok to disagree with your pals and even get heated about it at times, just remember that they are your friends because they have qualities you respect, even if their politics isn't one of them, and that there has been a lot of money spent and carefully crafted messages directed at us all, and they would not do it if it did not work.
- Aug 8, 2005
- 26,546
This talk of extending the deadline is total nonsense. I work in business negotiation and every deal you do there comes to a point where party or the other wants to extend the period of negotiation. Until one party says no there is no focus. Only at that point do you really know what you can get out of the other side. We need to take this to wire, last week, last night before the 29th March if necessary. Extending it won't help, you will always work up to the buffer and then a deal will happen. In the meantime we work our butts off to prepare for no deal and if that happens for a few months so what, if we show we are coping with no deal we will have strengthened our position incredibly and then the EU will be much more on the back foot. Like others I am in no way scared by a no deal because it will inevitably lead to a better deal being offered eventually. We shouldn't worry about any short pain because it will be to achieve long term gain.
father_and_son
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Then step aside and let someone else, better qualified, better able, better equipped do it.
This problem I personally have with this issue in particular and politics in general is the arrogance of our politicians.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of leaving the EU, the decision was made (by the people because the politicians didn't have the guts) and the role of the politicians is to negotiate the best settlement. If they lack the negotiating skills then they should admit it and step aside, if they lack the understanding of what people want then they should consult with their constituents, if they lack the ability to get behind the deal they have struck then they f**ked up the first two parts. Whichever way they personally believe we should have voted is absolutely and completely immaterial. They were voted to represent, if they cannot, with all conscience, represent the people's wishes because of their own view point then they should have stepped aside.
Ultimately, the referendum was a wake up call to politicians that they were not representing the people properly. They have, IMHO, f**ked up the opportunity to prove they can represent us. A General Election should be called immediately but with one vital caveat... If you have EVER held a seat in parliament you cannot stand at this election. You weren't good enough. Time to let someone else have a go.