[Politics] Brexit

pastafarian said:

Have said what I want many times, here is a thread for you to read.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...down-to-11PM-GMT-on-Friday-29th-of-March-2019
Equally happy for you to just to take my word on it and move on if you can.

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Baker lite said:

I shall be keeping my powder dry...for now, let’s just see if democracy is upheld.
On our way.

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MAY’S FINAL PUSH: Theresa May heads to Stoke-on-Trent this morning as No. 10 mounts a last-ditch effort to convince MPs to back her Brexit deal. The PM will use a speech at a factory in the Leave-supporting town to warn Brexiteer MPs that blocking her deal tomorrow night will only help those who wish to stop Brexit altogether, with “no Brexit” now far more likely than a no-deal scenario. At the same time she will warn Remainer MPs that failing to implement the referendum result would do “catastrophic harm” to the British public’s faith in democracy, and that MPs have a “duty” to deliver Brexit as promised. The speech will be carried live from 9.50 a.m., and you can expect a Q&A with journalists to follow.

The Welsh precedent: Extracts from May’s speech released by Downing Street last night show she will invoke the 1997 referendum on creating the Welsh assembly — in which the Yes vote won by the narrowest of margins — to press her case for delivering Brexit. “When the people of Wales voted by a margin of 0.3 percent, on a turnout of just over 50 percent, to endorse the creation of the Welsh assembly, that result was accepted by both sides, and the popular legitimacy of that institution has never seriously been questioned,” May will say.

Awks: Except, of course, it has — by Theresa May and the Conservative Party. As history student Joe Oliver pointed out in this Twitter thread last night, the Tories argued vehemently against the creation of the assembly following the Welsh referendum. And among the hundreds of Tory MPs voting against the Government Of Wales Bill in 1997 was, erm, the newly elected member for Maidenhead, Theresa May. Indeed, as the New Statesman’s Stephen Bush points out, as late as 2005 the Tories were promising a second referendum — a People’s Vote, if you will — on whether to scrap the Welsh assembly. Which is all a bit awkward for No. 10.

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Baker lite said:

I shall be keeping my powder dry...for now, let’s just see if democracy is upheld.
On our way.

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pastafarian said:

I am not interested in you “implementing” a re-run, do it again because we didn’t like the first result vote before the original vote can be finalised and implemented after due process. It is not “more democracy” to ignore a decision and overturn it before it can be finalised and concluded.
You wouldn’t contemplate demanding an election was re-done again before a clear winner had the chance to conclude matters, form a government and take up residence in No.10………or maybe you have reached such rock bottom you now would.
If you want another go campaign to rejoin after the democratic vote has been honoured and we have left the EU. Your democratic deficit is astounding and you cant even recognise it.

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PILTDOWN MAN said:

Looking forwards to finding out if I've still got a job in a few months, happy times.

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WATFORD zero said:

So here we are 2.5 years after the vote and where have we got to ?

1. A negotiated deal where (it seems surprisingly to some), the EU won't let us have any of their cherries (a deal that would have been much the same had it been negotiated by Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn, Tony Blair coming back from retirement or Maggie Thatcher coming back from beyond).

2. A 'no deal' that all but the most elemental have now realised is completely unachievable (and wouldn't have been even if we had started preparing 2.5 years ago).

3. Something else.

If only someone could have seen this coming

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sir albion said:

Actually its fine as you don't cave into these idiots in Brussels and you leave with no deal....no ifs and no buts they must deliver!!
Bored of these politicians bum licking the EU and trying to derail benefit.

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sir albion said:

Actually its fine as you don't cave into these idiots in Brussels and you leave with no deal....no ifs and no buts they must deliver!!
Bored of these politicians bum licking the EU and trying to derail benefit.

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The Clamp said:

Not gonna get my hopes up but Brexit looking less and less likely as the days pass.

We elect leaders to act in our best interests. What better demonstration of true democracy than our elected leaders reversing Brexit , thus acting in our best interests.

This will be hard for some to swallow. But fear not. The predicted thug uprising and violence on our streets will be a laughable flash in the pan.

We could be on our way folks, on our way back!!

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dingodan said:

A democracy is supposed to be representitive, where elected officials carry out their manifesto pledges, the basis on which they were elected.

I think you are confusing politicians with parents.

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dingodan said:

A democracy is supposed to be representitive, where elected officials carry out their manifesto pledges, the basis on which they were elected.

I think you are confusing politicians with parents.

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WATFORD zero said:

So you think the challenges of 'no deal' would be short term and that anything else is a continuation of 'project fear'.

I'm quite interested, therefor in how long you think we would need to operate under WTO default tariffs, before we would be able to get new schedules and quotas agreed by the other members of WTO. And also why Russia, US, New Zealand etc would change their current stance on the submissions we have already made.

And also, how we would process all imports and manage the recording and collection of those tariffs at all ports and airports in the interim period. (How long it would take to design, build and test the IT systems, recruit and train the staff, and build lorry parks for any resultant delays etc).

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Ernest said:

Got to admire May's front for blatantly lying about the Welsh referendum in her speech today, she is shameless

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dingodan said:

A democracy is supposed to be representitive, where elected officials carry out their manifesto pledges, the basis on which they were elected.

I think you are confusing politicians with parents.

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