[Other Sport] Diane Abbott, another fine performance

Live by the sea · Apr 13, 2018

Diane Abbott is one of the biggest buffoons in politics. To even try to comprehend that this woman could heaven forbid ever become Home Secretary is very scary indeed. She manages to make Corbyn look patriotic and sensible , not an easy task. Labour Party needs to split. We need sensible mainstream labour not the labour communist party. Embarrassing

Buzzer · Apr 13, 2018

erkan said:
Only a select few are such easy targets as a black woman who has spent her life passionately arguing the corner of those without easy access to relative influence and their own voice...

Privileged white men undermining Abbott not on policy but on soundbite and presentation just about encapsulates all that is wrong in the world.

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White working class boys are the worst performing at school and colleges of all the gender/ethnicities in the UK. They have been for some time now. They also earn less than their female counterparts in their 20s. They are also the group most likely to end up homeless, most likely to have untreated mental health issues, most likely to have dependency issues, most likely to commit suicide.

Diane Abbott is clearly incompetent at her job, and clearly in a position of extreme privilege compared to practically every one contributing to this thread.

If you truly believe this concept of privilege and who is allowed to criticise whom then anyone growing up as a white working class boy from a low expectation background is fully entitled to call Diane Abbott an absolute waste of space. If you refuse to accept that then it just proves that privilege is a nonsense used by SJWs to shout down any criticism they disagree with. See also mansplaining.

Live by the sea · Apr 13, 2018

Cowfold Seagull said:
For much the same reason as the tories keep putting Boris Johnson forward for interviews. A very dangerous man is Boris, and an accident waiting to happen as our Foreign Secretary.

But still Boris is 10 x more intelligent than Abbott

Guinness Boy · Apr 13, 2018

Live by the sea said:
But still Boris is 10 x more intelligent than Abbott

What a fatuous comment. Entirely subjective given that intelligence can mean so many things.

The real issue with both is that Johnson seems to be constantly undermining his leader and putting his foot in it abroad and Abbott seems not to be able to remember or explain anything and is a PR disaster waiting to happen. Yet both are constantly put forward by their parties, both wield considerable power and both seem to be made of Teflon. So either both are a lot cleverer than you and I or, in Boris's case, there are friends in high places and, in Abbott's she still holds a place in Jezza's heart.

Either way they're not exactly flipping burgers for a living.

erkan · Apr 13, 2018

Buzzer said:
White working class boys are the worst performing at school and colleges of all the gender/ethnicities in the UK. They have been for some time now. They also earn less than their female counterparts in their 20s. They are also the group most likely to end up homeless, most likely to have untreated mental health issues, most likely to have dependency issues, most likely to commit suicide.

Diane Abbott is clearly incompetent at her job, and clearly in a position of extreme privilege compared to practically every one contributing to this thread.

If you truly believe this concept of privilege and who is allowed to criticise whom then anyone growing up as a white working class boy from a low expectation background is fully entitled to call Diane Abbott an absolute waste of space. If you refuse to accept that then it just proves that privilege is a nonsense used by SJWs to shout down any criticism they disagree with. See also mansplaining.

That is all fine. Which of her values and policies do you find particularly abhorrent?

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Harry Wilson's tackle · Apr 13, 2018

Weststander said:
She’s made best of her extremely limited abilities.

A car crash politician, only serving to steer votes to other parties.

I think she is brilliant at allowing people who really really hate labour to feel really really good about themselves.

Personally I wouldn't vote for her, ever, under any circumstances, but it wouldn't matter because Jusus H Christ himself wouldn't be elected in my constituency if he stood for labour, and the tory would win even if he was the late Jimmy Savile.

One thing that I do find odd, though, is this. Why do people who really really hate labour keep starting threads about someone who is apparently driving people away from labour in droves? Is it some sort of 'virtue signaling'. Come on then, let's have something about the IRA and muslims for good measure, eh? :shrug:

CHAPPERS · Apr 13, 2018

Boris Johnson straight up lies repeatedly and is still in the cabinet.

Lower West Stander · Apr 13, 2018

erkan said:
Only a select few are such easy targets as a black woman who has spent her life passionately arguing the corner of those without easy access to relative influence and their own voice...

Privileged white men undermining Abbott not on policy but on soundbite and presentation just about encapsulates all that is wrong in the world.

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I've read some rubbish on NSC over the years but this just about takes the biscuit.

Diane Abbott could be black, white, pink, blue yellow with purple spots; man, woman transgender, don't know; middle class, working class, upper class.

She is still an embarrassment who would be a completely useless home secretary.

Ernest · Apr 13, 2018

Bevendean Hillbilly · Apr 13, 2018

I love that very sincere soft voice she has. I imagine she thinks it lends her a certain gravitas.

In fact, Diane, it makes you sound like phone whore whispering down the line whilst some saddo in Docaster has a hand shandy.

Imagine her and Corbyn dealing with Putin et al...dear god...what is going on in this country?

midnight_rendezvous · Apr 13, 2018

CHAPPERS said:
Boris Johnson straight up lies repeatedly and is still in the cabinet.

Because it’s Boris and he’s a loveable oaf (or some other similar excuse).

I definitely agree that when politicians are made to look silly or like an embarrassment to their respective party we should start threads about them. I certainly enjoyed the thread about the Tory Policing Minister, Victoria Atkins, admitting she doesn't know how many police officers are in service in the country... oh wait...

Buzzer · Apr 13, 2018

erkan said:
That is all fine. Which of her values and policies do you find particularly abhorrent?

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So by "all fine" can I presume that you agree with me that there is no such thing as white male privilege per se? Some white men are privileged and many are not. It's a specious, simplistic and diversionary argument.

I am dead against hard-left socialism but she's not alone in having those views. Specifically with Abbott - I think she's a race-baiter, I think she's nowhere nearly competent in the job she does and worst of all she's a massive hypocrite to her political beliefs. She's a terrible politician, the type that we need to remove to raise British politics from its current slough of despond. I really couldn't give a toss about her colour or background. I say the same of McDonnell, Gove, Sturgeon and Boris.

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Wrong-Direction · Apr 13, 2018

Guinness Boy said:
What a fatuous comment. Entirely subjective given that intelligence can mean so many things.

The real issue with both is that Johnson seems to be constantly undermining his leader and putting his foot in it abroad and Abbott seems not to be able to remember or explain anything and is a PR disaster waiting to happen. Yet both are constantly put forward by their parties, both wield considerable power and both seem to be made of Teflon. So either both are a lot cleverer than you and I or, in Boris's case, there are friends in high places and, in Abbott's she still holds a place in Jezza's heart.

Either way they're not exactly flipping burgers for a living.

Putting them both forward for interviews is the elites way of saying to us "look how ****ing powerful we are, we put our own idiots in front of you peasants and there's nothing you can do about it [emoji23]"

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Deleted member 22389 · Apr 13, 2018

Just like the labour party, no ideas, no solutions, just keep them away from running this country.

nicko31 · Apr 13, 2018

oneillco said:
I am not pro left wing Labour but I admire DA for smashing every glass ceiling she encountered, and she certainly didn't get to Cambridge via silver spoon privilege or lack of intelligence. Of course I can see that she sometimes doesn't perform brilliantly under media pressure, but she seems to get judged with disproportionate harshness.

Inclined to agree, and continually assassinated by the right wing offshore press because she didn't go to their public school

Pickles · Apr 13, 2018

vegster said:
But strangely, not in her own constituency ?

Veg, I lean the same way as you and your parsnips do, but you could put a turnip up for election there and it would win.

vegster · Apr 13, 2018

Pickles said:
Veg, I lean the same way as you and your parsnips do, but you could put a turnip up for election there and it would win.

Boris Johnson ?

Dorset Seagull · Apr 13, 2018

The thread is not actually about which party you are aligned to its about competence at doing a job when put in front of the media. She is clearly not very good at it and wouldn't be even if she was a Tory or Liberal. When you are a politician wheeled out in front of the media the idea is that you represent the party and get an opportunity to shine in front of the cameras, push a policy agenda and secure future voters. So it's an epic fail when you appear to turn voters off rather than recruit them.

Pickles · Apr 13, 2018

vegster said:
Boris Johnson ?

I meant a red turnip......he's a blonde one.

vegster · Apr 13, 2018

Dorset Seagull said:
The thread is not actually about which party you are aligned to its about competence at doing a job when put in front of the media. She is clearly not very good at it and wouldn't be even if she was a Tory or Liberal. When you are a politician wheeled out in front of the media the idea is that you represent the party and get an opportunity to shine in front of the cameras, push a policy agenda and secure future voters. So it's an epic fail when you appear to turn voters off rather than recruit them.

Pretty much as Theresa May has done as PM, Strong and Stable ? undermined and underwhelmed and without clear policies or agendas. As was quoted somewhere in the press " Theresa May always seems uncomfortable in a human body ".

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