vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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I think you have it almost correct, " the Conservatives have an understanding of how to run the economy for themselves."
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[Politics] Hammond's Budget
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I think you have it almost correct, " the Conservatives have an understanding of how to run the economy for themselves."
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I was an only child but left nothing from my parents who both lived in council houses.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Who's trolling account is this: [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] or [MENTION=36]Titanic[/MENTION] ?
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Both my parents were born into poverty during WW2. My elderly Father, who has done more than most for this country, says he can 'understand' why people, young people, young people who are taught in Sussex, are going where they're going politically now. He's never voted Labour in his life.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,569
I recognise that not all young voters voted Corbyn and not all older voters voted for Leave and the Tories, but at the same time you cannot ignore the trends and direction of political travel, both at the 2016 EU Referendum (the old vote for Leave in disproportionally high numbers, the young vote Remain) and the 2017 General Election (increasing number of younger voters registering and voting Corbyn, older voters returning back to the Tories from UKIP).
Both factors point to problems for the Tories in the medium to long-term. Personally, I think it's pathetic that they think the offer of no stamp duty for first time buyers and a cheaper rail card will win over the under-30s. The Conservatives are nothing more than a party of blaggers winging it with gimmicks, sticking plasters and bluster.
nicko31
Well-known member
I think the Lib Dems will gradually rise again, the whole party of the three that are united and have a sensible approach. Brexit hasn't helped them so far, but only now are the true effects of Brexit becoming apparent unless the OBR figures are BS
Of course they will never form the government alone but I wouldn't be surprised to see a coalition with Labour in a few years.
sussex_guy2k2
Well-known member
- Jun 6, 2014
- 3,734
That’s life isn’t it? Most people are selfish until they’re rich enough not to be. And I hate to say it, the £5,000 I had to spend on stamp duty is massive unless you’re on decent money. I could put a deposit down on a new car for that, for example.
As to whether I’m being selfish, we have a country full of people being selfish at every turn. The old voted for Brexit for selfish reasons, the young apparently want Corbyn in because he’ll best serve their interests, the rich middle classes have voted Tory for the last 8 years to retain the status quo and the political classes flat out refuse to consider reforming the political system because it would lead to a power shift. Add that to people avoiding tax to save themselves money, and the poor scrimping every penny they can off the welfare state whilst they sit at home playing on their PlayStations, and you question why I’m being selfish for being utterly f*cking p*ssed when my generation are screwed again...
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sussex_guy2k2
Well-known member
- Jun 6, 2014
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Whilst I respect your right to be a lefty, you can’t honestly tell me you believe Corbyn and Diane Abbot have the potential to offer Britain a positive future?
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,569
I'm not a lefty, I'm Lib Dems, but after the shakedown I see a left of centre Labour party under someone like Umunna or Starmer in power for three terms or more.
In an (evenlessthanhalf) perfect world we'd have something like this, or a coalition of centre Labour and Lib Dems (I'm sure a few of the decent Tory MPs would jump ship for this too).
Unfortunately with the system we have I doubt I'll ever see it.
Funny that, with hindsight, the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition government that was so heavily slated was actually by far the best we've had in a very long time. Compared to the current shower of shite on both sides, we were in clover.
portslade seagull
Well-known member
The same people moaning about the conservatives would soon be doing the same about labour as they see taxes rise and less money in there pockets as spending once again goes out of control under Labour
I think a lot of 'lefties' would like to see higher taxes to pay for public services and the welfare state. I know I would.
Normski1989
Well-known member
Although I agree with parts of what you're saying, a big part of the value is also due to supply and demand. The abolishment of SDLT will increase demand, but not supply and is likely to cause an increase to house prices.
I'm one of those unlucky few that paid £3,500 SDLT on my first home last Friday, but have already seen the property value increase since I agreed the price six months ago, so it's not all bad.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
On who/what?
I'd pay higher income tax if I could see a certain proportion of it going straight into the NHS, for sure. I also think corporation tax is too low.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
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They will stick to their pro-European line and I think that will win support. With UKIP out of the way and the Tories nailing their Brexit colours to the mast then anyone right of centre and who doesn't agree with the direction May is going has little option but to turn to the Lib Dems. Corbyn's message is hard left and extreme to many.
Labour are in a good place simply because they are not responsible for negotiating and delivering Brexit, yet they have the knowledge they ran Theresa May close in the last election and Corbyn outperformed May personally in the campaign. Corbyn's post-Budget speech in the Commons yesterday showed he is still fired up and genuinely cares about poverty, injustice and the public services - that pot is still on the boil.
The key lies in Labour's ability to maintain an appearance they are the government in waiting whilst broadening their appeal sufficiently wide enough to take back some centre ground and win back enough seats in the North and Scotland to regain the balance of power.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
So you would put the basic rate up then ..or are you a higher rate tax payer..how high would you increase CT and at what level of turnover
I'm not an economist I'm afraid, I pay taxes so that others can work all that out.
I was more makng the point that being left leaning, I personally don't have an issue with paying more into the pot if necessary.
Plus - https://www.ft.com/content/a159deba-cb98-11e7-aa33-c63fdc9b8c6c
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Fair enough....i just like to find out what someone means when they say raise tax's ..like on who and what and the consequences on the individual and business