[Politics] Brexit

Green Cross Code Man · Apr 24, 2016

Seems the wonderful EU is adding another far right leader to it's coffers.

Far right 'leads in Austria vote' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36124256

melias shoes · Apr 24, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
Seems the wonderful EU is adding another far right leader to it's coffers.

Far right 'leads in Austria vote' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36124256

Seems the Austrians have had enough of the EU too.

Lincoln Imp · Apr 24, 2016

drew said:
Are you saying one thousand million dollars is a trillion?

Careful. You're dealing with Two Professors. If he thinks a billion is a trillion then a billion is a trillion. Outers make nothing up.

melias shoes · Apr 24, 2016

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...k.com/AntiEUNet/videos/1060884617318047/&_rdr
Some interesting posts to be read here. In particular the female graduate who mastered in EU law and tells it as it is. Corrupt, vile self serving organisation. Awaits the IN denials.

Bevendean Hillbilly · Apr 24, 2016

This is all coming together nicely. The master stroke for out was to wheel on Obama to threaten us with dire consequences if we leave. Dave had peaked too early. There's 9 weeks until the poll. Nine weeks for these lies to become self evidenced. If Barak thinks that the US vendors who sell us $105bn of goods would happily bin that trade then good on him.

drew · Apr 24, 2016

Lincoln Imp said:
Careful. You're dealing with Two Professors. If he thinks a billion is a trillion then a billion is a trillion. Outers make nothing up.

Hadn't thought of that. I take it all back, I must be dumber than I thougth!!!!!

portslade seagull · Apr 24, 2016

Lincoln Imp said:
Careful. You're dealing with Two Professors. If he thinks a billion is a trillion then a billion is a trillion. Outers make nothing up.

I'm sure most of the tall/scare stories are being dreamt up by the inners and the best one bringing Obama into it. I think that will sway a fair few to the nays

abc · Apr 24, 2016

Now a fair time has passed since this poll was started and the debate has moved on, it might be interesting to start the poll again and see if opinion has shifted.

sussex_guy2k2 · Apr 24, 2016

I'd be voting to stay in because I'm yet to hear anything other than theoretical arguments about why to vote "out". The theory is all well and good, but the economic consequences could be catastrophic and until the out campaigners lay down a concrete plan for the trade deals they would have in place were we to leave, the Bill they'd be putting through Parliament to alter the voting system within our country so that we actually have a democratic voting system, a clear idea on how they'd control migration, and a clear plan for who would handle the exit, I won't be voting out. I'd also like some explanation on how an exit would affect taxes, house prices, my ability to travel abroad, the funding government will use to subsidise the businesses that are affected by leaving, details on how they'll compensate the agricultural industries, what changes will be made to the living wage... Basically, there are so many unanswered questions from the Brexiters, none of which have anything other than theoretical answers (and most of the time, it's bad theory) so until I get something concrete from those leading that argument, I can't see a reason to vote to leave.

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 24, 2016

abc said:
Now a fair time has passed since this poll was started and the debate has moved on, it might be interesting to start the poll again and see if opinion has shifted.

my OUT vote still stands....but i would be interested.... is such a thing possible..

Irish_Seagull · Apr 24, 2016

If the EU Referendum was today.

drew said:
Well if that's your preference go ahead!

I was making a suggestion, perhaps it is something you need in your life with you behaving so Retentive etc

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 24, 2016

sussex_guy2k2 said:
I'd be voting to stay in because I'm yet to hear anything other than theoretical arguments about why to vote "out". The theory is all well and good, but the economic consequences could be catastrophic and until the out campaigners lay down a concrete plan for the trade deals they would have in place were we to leave, the Bill they'd be putting through Parliament to alter the voting system within our country so that we actually have a democratic voting system, a clear idea on how they'd control migration, and a clear plan for who would handle the exit, I won't be voting out. I'd also like some explanation on how an exit would affect taxes, house prices, my ability to travel abroad, the funding government will use to subsidise the businesses that are affected by leaving, details on how they'll compensate the agricultural industries, what changes will be made to the living wage... Basically, there are so many unanswered questions from the Brexiters, none of which have anything other than theoretical answers (and most of the time, it's bad theory) so until I get something concrete from those leading that argument, I can't see a reason to vote to leave.

The theory of going to the moon was just that too......until they did it.

sussex_guy2k2 · Apr 24, 2016

DumLum said:
Was a probable in now a definite out. Nothing to do with other nationalities working here I would like to see freedom of movement for current EU countries continue with an out vote. However recourses are probably stretched to the max now. I'm voting against the big businesses who are just looking out for themselves not the public however they want to spin it.

And how do you feel the public will benefit from us leaving? Is it increased house prices? A poorer exchange rate? Less job opportunities? Less income? Probably higher taxes? A worse level of services within the country? A poorer standard of goods? Higher goods prices?

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 24, 2016

GoldWithFalmer said:
The theory of going to the moon was just that too......until they did it.

NASA gave a pretty good explanation of how they were going to do it though. That's the difference.

drew · Apr 24, 2016

portslade seagull said:
I'm sure most of the tall/scare stories are being dreamt up by the inners and the best one bringing Obama into it. I think that will sway a fair few to the nays

I'm really surprised you've reached that conclusion.

If you were honest, you would accept that both sides are putting out fear stories.

sussex_guy2k2 · Apr 24, 2016

GoldWithFalmer said:
The theory of going to the moon was just that too......until they did it.

Right, except in this case the theory is, in the main, fundamentally flawed and negative, both politically and economically.

sussex_guy2k2 · Apr 24, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
NASA gave a pretty good explanation of how they were going to do it though. That's the difference.

This.

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 24, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
NASA gave a pretty good explanation of how they were going to do it though. That's the difference.

Fair comment,but the gap between theory and reality still took time to bridge...... it will do again if we leave the EU.

drew · Apr 24, 2016

GoldWithFalmer said:
The theory of going to the moon was just that too......until they did it.

And that's the real problem with Brexit campaign. Someone raises some very good points and you dismiss them with a flippant comment. If someone in Brexit could address those concerns then you are more likely to persuade people to vote to leave.

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 24, 2016

drew said:
And that's the real problem with Brexit campaign. Someone raises some very good points and you dismiss them with a flippant comment. If someone in Brexit could address those concerns then you are more likely to persuade people to vote to leave.

They are very,very good and fair points....genuine decent points..perhaps the Govenment should have spent more money on the leaflet they sent out?

Spent more time trying to explain rather than trying to convince us to remain.

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