What? No there isn't, most MPs want to remain - by a large margin.
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[Politics] Tonight,s EU vote and the margin of defeat ?
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Kalimantan Gull
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But loads of them voted with the government yesterday. Ken Clarke, for example. It was the Brexiteers that brought yesterdays vote down
Why did you italicise 'elected', as if that was somehow something I hadn't grasped? The people elected MPs who are against Brexit, so the mess that followed was predictable and would have happened regardless of who was in power.
My issue is that you think I'm just claiming that Labour would do a bad job of running the country because I don't like Labour, but I have voted for Labour, more than once. I just think they'd do a bad job with their current leader. You, however, are anti-tory, and you'll blame them for the situation even when it's not all their doing.
There are 650 MPs. The clear majority are remainers.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
Yes. Including the prime minister. But thats not what you and I are debating right now.
There is a majority in the house to vote for Brexit. They just can't decide what kind of Brexit to vote for. If all the Brexit-supporting MP's had joined the government in the vote last night, the motion would have passed and we would be definitively on our way to leaving the EU. But they didn't, and we're not
Well your assertion is that the problem is caused by the fact that most MPs are anti Brexit, when actually I believe that whilst that fact is true, it isn't a cause of the mess at all. I think they'd all carry out the Brexit result if there was a sensible deal on the table, but the one negotiated is absolutely appalling. You'd have to be insane to think *anyone* voted for that.
So you voted Labour once whereas I haven't voted Tory. I guess that makes you far more level headed than me then, and isn't ridiculous petty point scoring at all.
I think you need to step back and read what was written because I don't think you're responding to what I said at all. Chicken Run posted that Labour would be worse, I disagreed because I simply don't believe anyone could do a worse job in government than May and her laughable cronies. You then chimed in to say Labour would be worse, so I repeated myself. To clarify, how can anyone truly believe any other party would do a worse job than the current lot?
Pavilionaire
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Tories will close ranks tonight, as the ERG's Mark Francois just said "I am a Tory first and foremost".
I think it is.
That's not true. Many Brexit-supporting MPs did vote for her deal yesterday. Some didn't, but not over 115. There just aren't that many Brexit-supporting MPs.
They said last night that basically the only MPs who voted for May's deal were the cabinet and others "on the payroll". So it wasn't even Pro v Anti Brexit, it was those who didn't want to lose their jobs v everyone else.
Just shows how completely shithouse the deal was, and how comprehensive the defeat was.
Just shows how completely shithouse the deal was, and how comprehensive the defeat was.
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I agree that that they'd carry it out if they liked the deal on the table, but I don't think any of them can agree a deal with the EU that enough MPs would like, particularly given the fact that we have a minority government.
No.
You're being childish. It's not point scoring, I'm simply replying to your claim that I'm just anti-Labour, which I'm not. I am, however, anti-Corbyn.I guess that makes you far more level headed than me then, and isn't ridiculous petty point scoring at all.
Ok I'm assuming that you think Labour would be better. Or are you saying it would be just the same?
And it could be worse. As things stand, we're in limbo, we don't know what's going to happen. It's crap, but at least we haven't left with a terrible deal yet. Just as an example, actually leaving with no deal would be worse.
TheJasperCo
Well-known member
I think the PA trolled me.
I'm saying I doubt the state of the country under Corbyn would be worse than it is now.
I really don't think so.
BensGrandad
New member
With tonights no confidence vote would a majority of 1 suffice for her to win or does it have to be a % eg 80% or whatever
Simply majority.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
You do love an argument, don't you.
That bill last night was brought down by the ERG and the DUP, and Grieve's bunch couldn't have stopped it if everyone else was united.If you're trying to make the case that Remain-supporting MP's are stopping Brexit, you're wrong. They will stop a no-deal Brexit, on the other hand.
Probably fixtures long ago but the Speaker doesn't vote and the Sinn Fein MPs don't take their seats.
And nobody is going to risk "pairing" after that snide Tory **** agreed to pair with Jo Swinson when she was having a baby, and then allowed himself to be bullied by the Tory whips into voting anyway.
It was an abomination that Tulip Siddiq had to postpone her C-section. The Speaker was angered about it when it was raised by Point of Order. He had asked the Leader of the House to introduce a regulation so Tulip could vote but be excused attending the House. Leadsom refused to do it. Tulip didn't look that good so hopefully all goes well and she and baby Tulip are just fine and dandy
jessiejames
Never late in a V8
No, who was nearest to the margin of defeat? Thank you for you comment though.
Leadsom is vile.
Someone on Twitter once referred to her as Andrea Loathsome and since then it's been my go to way of referring to her
kingcole
Well-known member
One helluva speach by Mr Gove.