[Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

The Clamp said:

All this rhetoric. “Pull forward for the future” “we have the drive” “positivity” “brighter futures” “find a way”. You do realise that means absolutely nothing? It’s not a plan. It isn’t anything. It’s empty. Boy, are we in trouble.

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btnbelle said:

“Pull forward for the future” “we have the drive” “positivity” “brighter futures” “find a way”.
No, you are right. It is an outline though for how we need to take on the challenge ahead and move towards building a much Greater Britain.

"It isn’t anything. It’s empty."
I disagree with this part.

The real planning is taking place behind the scenes in parliament and in every business who trades with the EU.

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btnbelle said:

The only deal that respects the leave vote is no deal. I would prefer it to be managed and we are told that plans have been made for this.

We can set our own tariffs. We will have control over our own affairs. The future will be in our own hands and will will be a success because we will make it to be so, without being held back by bureaucrats from the EU.

Leaving the EU is a change and that scares people with negative outlooks. Expect some readjustment. Work to find solutions to problems because scare mongering and panicking will solve nothing.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Now we need to make it work? The Referendum was over two years ago. Theresa May triggered Article 50 as soon as she could, without any plan in place.
She's already had one plan rejected by Parliament, and is now delaying this one as long as possible, because she knows it will be voted down.

We have just 100 days to sort out something and now we need to make it work?

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btnbelle said:

Here we can agree. What a shambles May has made of this. But to be fair to her, she has tried her best to get a deal. That is why now we can only have a no deal Brexit. We need to make every day count now, working towards the only deal that allows us to take back control. Maybe, if it is possible, we could transition, as already put forward towards no deal.

Plans are in place for no deal. I am sure there will be disruption. Where needed we will have to work to overcome whatever problems we face and make the peoples choice to leave work.

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The Clamp said:

So your plan is you remain positive while the powers that be get it all on track, no need to be updated how it’s all going, keep it all behind the scenes and don’t bother you with the scary stuff while you’re over in the corner spouting positive affirmations. . Righto.

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Mellotron said:

Meaningless drivel full of half truths, misunderstandings and just outright lies.

I'll ask again - if Leave is such a good idea this should be REALLY easily.

Please list some provable positives of leaving with No Deal.

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btnbelle said:

Updates would be nice, I am not against those at all.

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The Clamp said:

How?

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btnbelle said:

The only deal that respects the leave vote is no deal. I would prefer it to be managed and we are told that plans have been made for this.

We can set our own tariffs. We will have control over our own affairs. The future will be in our own hands and will will be a success because we will make it to be so, without being held back by bureaucrats from the EU.

Leaving the EU is a change and that scares people with negative outlooks. Expect some readjustment. Work to find solutions to problems because scare mongering and panicking will solve nothing.

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The Clamp said:

Just as long as they are positive, full of blind optimism and avoid any reality that threatens to contradict your view that all will be well as long as we plaster on a fake smile and stay positive? Gotcha. I think you’re in for a rude awakening in the not too distant future.

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nwgull said:

Who is 'we'? What can I personally do to ensure that my company will still be able to export to existing US and Canadian clients in April in a no deal scenario? Answer: **** all. We'll be relying on politicians and civil servants that are trying to simultaneously arrange trade deals with hundreds of countries around the world.

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btnbelle said:

How? Do you mean how do we get a transition?

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btnbelle said:

I sympathise with your plight. Your problem comes from the shambles that Mrs May has made of it all and not our democratic right to leave the EU.

If we know what the deal is, then we can plan.

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btnbelle said:

No deal, planned and managed for is the best way forward. We are where we are....

It is the best option on the table. It is the only option that gives us what we voted for. We want to be in control.

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btnbelle said:

Being in control is a positive. From there we can work out solutions to our problems.

I advocate no deal because it is the only way we can proceed at this point.

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btnbelle said:

How? Do you mean how do we get a transition?

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Mellotron said:

What do you mean "being in control"? We have always had sovereignty. We have always had democracy.

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Is it PotG? said:

Indeed, and our splendid democracy must continue to be upheld.

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btnbelle said:

No deal, planned and managed for is the best way forward. We are where we are....

It is the best option on the table. It is the only option that gives us what we voted for. We want to be in control.

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